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  TWO MEN who changed Watchtower History but YOU NEVER HEARD of them!

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  two men who changed watchtower history but you never heard of them!

  cults are famous for control--especially controlling information about people, places and events which are embarrassing to their self-myths.. especially is this true for two important figures in watchtower history.. .

  the first man is william f. hudgings.

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  William Hudgings was also an inventor.

  He invented an "asshole flusher" and filed a patent for it in 1930.

  https://www.google.com/patents/US1983293

  Huh...there must have been a market for the device at Brooklyn Bethel.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

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  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: Crow, you missed the main point of my argument. The point I was trying to make is that individuals will suffer pain. Real flesh and blood people. Not just numbers in some organization. These ppl could be your brother, your sister, your cousin, individuals that very well might end up in jail for not wanting to violate their conscience, as have so many JW throughout their history, and continue to do so (see south korea)

  Well, I guess I did miss your point. I was being concerned for the people who actually are related to me...the blood relatives that I do not want to see getting sucked into committing suicide for an American corporation masquerading as a religion.

  You are so right. I missed your point. As you missed mine. You missed feeling for the real flesh and blood people who will be required to give up their flesh and blood for the profits of that American corporation that wants to get the Russian people to die for them too. You missed feeling for the thousands and thousands of people who have already felt the pain of giving up flesh and blood.

  Your tactic of trying to make me feel guilty for the pain of some unknown people isn't going to work...I already feel for the ones I know. I already feel for the ones who have died for a bullshit blood doctrine.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  hybridous:

  "Even tho people can be individual members, the members themselves do not have input into the directives that control their lives."

  I will point out that, unless were talking about children, people choose to be JWs in the first place, and in doing so, they willfully abdicate all/most of their self-direction.
  Adults have the right to do this.

  
  

  You are absolutely right.

  Exactly the same as a woman can legally marry an abusive man. However, if that man is violent and hurts her, it doesn't excuse his behavior just because she married him.

  You have stated the "blame the victim" mantra quite well.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: An organization consist of members, as individuals acting collectively.

  And therein lies the problem. The organization known as the Watchtower Society, which oversees the organization known as the JWs, is not a collection of individuals acting collectively.

  The JWs may have the appearance of a collective unit, but the rules that govern that collective behavior are not arrived at by a collective decision.

  There are no collective acts in the establishment of what makes up JW 'law'. Even tho people can be individual members, the members themselves do not have input into the directives that control their lives.

  Some organizations "consist of members, as individuals acting collectively" but the Watchtower Society is not one of them.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: But here's what no one has been able to argue against:
  -Since when have government bans been effective in stopping JWs from promoting their message? Specially when there is an already existing thriving JW community within the country. They only have a contrary effect. Look at authoritarian government history and see how clandestine JW communities have only been reinforced in their belief.
  -Taking into account the first point...

  Okay...I will take that first point into account.

  Governments ban all sorts of behavior. All the time.

  For example, murder is banned. So is rape. So is theft...the list goes on and on.

  And, you are right...government bans do not stop illegal activity from happening - but it does give the government the power to prosecute such illegal acts.

  Government bans exist to enforce laws. JWs do not respect the law - the only law they recognize is the one that comes from the Boys at Brooklyn...oops...I guess that is Warwick, now. New York. Amuricah. Nevertheless, the JW 'law' is not the law of the people.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: Really? Ok, I won't doubt your words, as I don't know you or your circumstances.

  You are right - you don't know.

  Think if your JW sister/brother/son/daughter were in Russia.

  I do have family in Russia. Close family - cousins and aunties and uncles...lots of them. Blood relatives. I think of them all the time. Always have (edit to add - none of my relatives in Russia are JWs)

  vidiot: I do get a kick out of the Russian media calling JWs "Jehovists"...

  Me too. :)
  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses new world HQ nearly complete. From The Chronicle.

  by ToesUp in

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  warwick article.

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  Maybe the WT and the Boys Scouts are working together because of shared interests.

  The WT lawyers are probably getting tips from the Boys Scouts' lawyers on how to handle the child sex abuse scandals that both institutions are facing.

  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/20/boy-scout-abuse-files/1646033/

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/boy-scouts-sex-abuse/

  Yup...a Boys Scout leader, Monica Applewhite and Geoffrey Jackson all walked into a bar together...there has to be a punch line in all that somewhere
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  Missionary in Asia works part time as teacher told by Bethel hand over pay check!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  they only way this minsterial school grad missionary could get a visa was as an "english teacher" so he got a job part time and pioneered the rest of the time.

  he was very upset when bethel told him his wage for english teaching belongs to them!!!

  he had expenses living in this asian land and had no family support, but bethel thought his small watchtower "reinburstment" was enough.

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  witness007: They only way this Minsterial school grad missionary could get a visa was as an "english teacher" so he got a job part time and pioneered the rest of the time. He was very upset when bethel told him his wage for english teaching belongs to them!!!

  Do you have any more information than this?

  Who was 'he' working for in this part time job he landed? Who did he tutor and for which company? Was the company JW owned?

  How did he get this 'part-time job' teaching English?
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: Would a gov ban have made u accept a blood transfusion had u needed one?

  Yes.

  And my son would have received blood when he needed it.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  Sanchy: I just dont think gov bans on the JW faith benefit anyone.

  Well...it will benefit those Russian JWs who are pulled into the WTS' ridiculous doctrine about blood. It will benefit Russian medical professionals who wouldn't have to sit by and watch their patients die needlessly. It will benefit all the children whose mothers need blood - those children will have a chance to grow up with a mother. It will benefit families who have a loved one that can now live instead of die.

  *I posted the following on a thread that Lee started concerning the WT's blood ban and Russia's ban against them but I will move it here because it is pertinent to this thread too...

  Lee: In a move that will certainly be carefully analyzed, the Russian Supreme Court has upheld a lower court ban on Jehovah's Witnesses, in large part due to their controversial policy on the remaining prohibition of whole blood and some blood products that remain essential in certain emergency situations and conditions.

  I think that the blood ban is where the Russian courts are "drawing a line in the sand".

  In spite of all the hype and publicity concerning the distribution of "extremist" literature and the incidents of JWs breaking the law by trying to convert others, the blood ban is certainly a large reason as to why the JWs are facing a ban in Russia.

  DOCTORS IN COURT: "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DIED AFTER REFUSING BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS"

  
  
  Two doctors were summoned into court as witnesses in order to learn whether religious convictions have affected the state of health of Jehovist patients and whether they could be the cause of the death of patients.
  
  A toxicologist from the Stary Oskol city hospital described how in 2001 a man and his wife who had been poisoned by toadstools were brought to her department. The husband, who was in critical condition, immediately had a blood transfusion in order to cleanse his organism from toxins. But the woman, who felt better than her spouse, refused hemosorption and plasmapharesis.
  
  "The patient was conscious and she herself signed documents refusing blood transfusion.An attorney visited her and persuaded the Jehovist not to consent to these medical procedures and he promised to move her to Moscow where there is a hospital with equipment that permits cleansing the organism of poison without blood transfusion. The husband, who is not a member of the congregation, tried to persuade his wife to do everything that the doctors were recommending, but she was unmoved.The lawyer, who promised help, did not visit the next day. The woman was not moved to the capital hospital. In the end, she died from necrosis of the liver.
  
  "At the last moment, the woman nevertheless agreed to one of the procedures, but it was already too late. In principle, members of the congregation could have moved her to the capital by air ambulance, or have brought other equipment into our hospital which permits cleansing the organism without transfusion. But they did not do this, although the lawyer had promised. In our turn, we were not able to do anything, since we treat with the equipment that we have. And in our city hospital it is possible to remove poison from an organism only by means of pumping the stomach and transfusing blood. This incident made a very strong impression on me. After all, I could have helped this woman at the time, but I was not able to. She refused the transfusion and she died in torment, being conscious all the time," the doctor toxicologist related this sad story.

  In the above case, it is telling that the JW lawyer was involved and promised the patient alternative medical care. That alternative care did not happen, the JW congregation was unable to give the support she expected - the WT's promises were empty.