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  CHILD BAPTISM

  by megabyte_vijay in

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  it is strange to read the last week watchtower that encouraging child/teenagers' baptism.

  even jesus was baptised as his 30. jws encouraging marriages at an older age.

  but why they are encouraging children to get baptised.

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  megabyte: it is strange to read the last week watchtower that encouraging Child/Teenagers' baptism

  What is strange about the JWs practice of baptizing children is how the act of baptism blurs the lines between adult and child. The terrible consequences of turning children into baptized members is that it sets them up for making adult decisions...like giving their consent to sexual acts.

  Child baptism turns children into miniature adults and it becomes an act that fosters the thinking that "if the child is old enough to be baptized, they are old enough to consent to sex".

  I think that the GB encourage child baptism because they need to believe, and they need others to believe, that children engaging in adult acts is acceptable (...which includes having sex). They need to believe that children can consent to and enter into contractual arrangements that the children themselves will be held accountable for.
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  Geoffrey jackson quote on fading/ leaving with no sanction

  by Tornintwo in

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  can anyone help me find geoffrey jacksons quote about people deciding to walk away from the religion and not facing sanctions, i need it to cope with some busybody elders.

  please xxx.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpir8vJSdrE
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  Gordie Howe and hockey

  by berrygerry in

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  while ali made an unparalleled mark on boxing, the same can be said for gordie howe and hockey.. for those who have played team sports, hockey is absolutely the best team sport that there is.. "mr hockey - gordie howe" provides a glimpse into his life (just started on cbc, simon).. this clip of the 1980 all-star game, in which he played at 52 years old, is a testament to this athlete, and this human.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od3fd6vx0uc.

  (2016 is truly proving to be a loss in the sports and entertainment world)..

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  TWO MEN who changed Watchtower History but YOU NEVER HEARD of them!

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  two men who changed watchtower history but you never heard of them!

  cults are famous for control--especially controlling information about people, places and events which are embarrassing to their self-myths.. especially is this true for two important figures in watchtower history.. .

  the first man is william f. hudgings.

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  William Hudgings was also an inventor.

  He invented an "asshole flusher" and filed a patent for it in 1930.

  https://www.google.com/patents/US1983293

  Huh...there must have been a market for the device at Brooklyn Bethel.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
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  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: Crow, you missed the main point of my argument. The point I was trying to make is that individuals will suffer pain. Real flesh and blood people. Not just numbers in some organization. These ppl could be your brother, your sister, your cousin, individuals that very well might end up in jail for not wanting to violate their conscience, as have so many JW throughout their history, and continue to do so (see south korea)

  Well, I guess I did miss your point. I was being concerned for the people who actually are related to me...the blood relatives that I do not want to see getting sucked into committing suicide for an American corporation masquerading as a religion.

  You are so right. I missed your point. As you missed mine. You missed feeling for the real flesh and blood people who will be required to give up their flesh and blood for the profits of that American corporation that wants to get the Russian people to die for them too. You missed feeling for the thousands and thousands of people who have already felt the pain of giving up flesh and blood.

  Your tactic of trying to make me feel guilty for the pain of some unknown people isn't going to work...I already feel for the ones I know. I already feel for the ones who have died for a bullshit blood doctrine.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
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  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  hybridous:

  "Even tho people can be individual members, the members themselves do not have input into the directives that control their lives."

  I will point out that, unless were talking about children, people choose to be JWs in the first place, and in doing so, they willfully abdicate all/most of their self-direction.
  Adults have the right to do this.

  
  

  You are absolutely right.

  Exactly the same as a woman can legally marry an abusive man. However, if that man is violent and hurts her, it doesn't excuse his behavior just because she married him.

  You have stated the "blame the victim" mantra quite well.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

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  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: An organization consist of members, as individuals acting collectively.

  And therein lies the problem. The organization known as the Watchtower Society, which oversees the organization known as the JWs, is not a collection of individuals acting collectively.

  The JWs may have the appearance of a collective unit, but the rules that govern that collective behavior are not arrived at by a collective decision.

  There are no collective acts in the establishment of what makes up JW 'law'. Even tho people can be individual members, the members themselves do not have input into the directives that control their lives.

  Some organizations "consist of members, as individuals acting collectively" but the Watchtower Society is not one of them.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: But here's what no one has been able to argue against:
  -Since when have government bans been effective in stopping JWs from promoting their message? Specially when there is an already existing thriving JW community within the country. They only have a contrary effect. Look at authoritarian government history and see how clandestine JW communities have only been reinforced in their belief.
  -Taking into account the first point...

  Okay...I will take that first point into account.

  Governments ban all sorts of behavior. All the time.

  For example, murder is banned. So is rape. So is theft...the list goes on and on.

  And, you are right...government bans do not stop illegal activity from happening - but it does give the government the power to prosecute such illegal acts.

  Government bans exist to enforce laws. JWs do not respect the law - the only law they recognize is the one that comes from the Boys at Brooklyn...oops...I guess that is Warwick, now. New York. Amuricah. Nevertheless, the JW 'law' is not the law of the people.
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  Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the news here.

  the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

  bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.

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  sanchy: Really? Ok, I won't doubt your words, as I don't know you or your circumstances.

  You are right - you don't know.

  Think if your JW sister/brother/son/daughter were in Russia.

  I do have family in Russia. Close family - cousins and aunties and uncles...lots of them. Blood relatives. I think of them all the time. Always have (edit to add - none of my relatives in Russia are JWs)

  vidiot: I do get a kick out of the Russian media calling JWs "Jehovists"...

  Me too. :)
  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses new world HQ nearly complete. From The Chronicle.

  by ToesUp in

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  warwick article.

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  OrphanCrow

  Maybe the WT and the Boys Scouts are working together because of shared interests.

  The WT lawyers are probably getting tips from the Boys Scouts' lawyers on how to handle the child sex abuse scandals that both institutions are facing.

  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/20/boy-scout-abuse-files/1646033/

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/boy-scouts-sex-abuse/

  Yup...a Boys Scout leader, Monica Applewhite and Geoffrey Jackson all walked into a bar together...there has to be a punch line in all that somewhere