Posts by OrphanCrow

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$40,000.00 USD, and counting.....

by DATA-DOG in

i'm not sure if anyone is keeping track, but as of today, the wtbts has spent $40,000.00 usd to avoid releasing sensitive documents to the superior authorities.

that's $40,000.00 usd of "dedicated funds.

are you a born-in jw?

OrphanCrow

Crazyguy: I think and hope he's not about the money but about seeking justice...

Justice is measured by monetary settlement

Without a monetary award, there is no justice

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Jehovah's Witnesses face £1m legal bill after young girl was sexually abused by one of its members

by Researchedandenlightened in

jw
friends

hopefully more financial trouble for them to come in uk !!.

jehovah's witnesses face £1m legal bill after young girl was sexually abused by one of its membersread more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-face-1m-legal-bill-after-young-girl-was-sexually-abused-by-one-of-its-members/story-29491614-detail/story.html#ixzz4dqkbhccq follow us: @leicester_merc on twitter | leicestermercury on facebookread more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-face-1m-legal-bill-after-young-girl-was-sexually-abused-by-one-of-its-members/story-29491614-detail/story.html#hel6rjg74wdprrdh.99.

OrphanCrow

stillin: I get nervous when something from 30 or 40 years ago is dragged out for public consideration.

Good thing you aren't a lawyer, then! :)

If you think you get nervous, just consider how nervous those victims are - and how much pain and suffering they have endured for 30 to 40 years. And THEN to have people doubt their experience...an experience that they have re-lived each and every day for decades

Thank goodness not everybody gets nervous about the past....thank goodness there are lawyers and judges that don't have a problem with their nerves

If anyone deserves credit for dealing with nerves...it is the victims themselves. The victims who have to prove that they were violated so long ago...so long ago...years and years of suffering

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

Sorry, fukitol, I didn't mean to be insulting. One of my biggest defects is being blunt and direct. Some people interpret that as being rude. I apologize...I will add smiles and flowers next time. :) :) :) ;)

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

fukitol: Better to just accept that there are some forces and mysteries that we can't explain or comfortably fit into a purely materialist paradigm. Doesn't mean you're compromising on atheism.

Lol! yes, there will always be couch sitters in the world. There will always be those who find it easier to just "go with the flow". No issues, no problems...and no thinking

Oh, and by the way...where the *beep* did you pull atheism from???? It is a strange comment in this context. It sort of resembles a red herring actually

There are things that can be discussed on this forum that have nothing at all to do with belief/nonbelief in a deity

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Fb pages

by Drwho in

im not a jw and never was but had a bad encounter with one , ie my gf was one .

anyway , i was wondering if fb pages are actually allowed , i thought the wt frowned upon them ?

here is one i discus in regularly , maybe take a look and leave a comment on the tripe they write , it looks very well done and presented ,https://www.facebook.com/honor.jehovah/.

OrphanCrow

jwdaughter: Anyone know why they are inserting a little e every time they spell out JeW.org on the pictures? As we all know, that is NOT the branding message

Could be to avoid copyright issues

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

redpilltwice: but hey, for now my healing lady saved me some paracetamol/acetaminophen...

Cool. Personally,for pain, I like the green herb. :)

One more comment about the role of belief in healing. A few years ago, when I was consulting a medical doctor about pain, he put his hands on my shoulders and looked me in the eye and said, "I believe you. Your pain is not 'just in your head'. I believe you."

And you know, his belief helped me cope with the pain. So, when it comes to belief, sometimes all a person needs is for someone to believe in them....not the other way around

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Who ‘wondered admiringly’ at the League of Nations to fulfill Revelation 17:8?

by Gilgamesh in

i didn't recall this topic being discussed for quite a while, so i am including the first half of an article i posted on another site: , .

who ‘wondered admiringly’ at the league of nations to fulfill revelation 17:8?.

summary: the watchtower explains that the initial beast of revelation 17:8 is the “league of nations.” revelation 17:8 (nwt) says that persons whose names have not been written upon the scroll of life will “wonder admiringly” at this beast.

OrphanCrow

gilgamesh: I had never really read about the IPU before (League's predecessor) and its history reminded me even more of how silly the whole prophetic application is.

For some more background on the League of Nations, it roots can actually be traced back to the Hague Convention of 1899.

The peace conference was proposed on 24 August 1898 by Russian Tsar Nicholas II.[8] Nicholas and Count Mikhail Nikolayevich Muravyov, his foreign minister, were instrumental in initiating the conference. The conference opened on 18 May 1899, the Tsar's birthday. The treaties, declarations, and final act of the conference were signed on 29 July of that year, and they entered into force on 4 September 1900.

What is interesting about Tsar Nicholas' motivations in establishing an international court, is that the Baha'i's claim input into the start of that idea. Before Nicholas took power, his father, Alexander III, had a friendship with a Baha'i man. According to Baha'i history, this man influenced Alexander on ideas of international peace and the methods to be followed in order to see that fulfillment (modeled on the Baha'i's "International House of Justice"). When Alexander died prematurely. his son Nicholas took up his father's mission to establish an international court of peace.

The Baha'i faith is considered to be an apostate sect of Islam. They share many similarities in structure and doctrine to the WTS (and many differences too)

According to the Baha'i's:

There have been three attempts in the past to implement Baha'u'llah's plan for a Universal House of Justice.
Czar Nicholas II of Russia made the first attempt in the late 1800's. He had many of Baha'u'llah's principle writings translated into Russian and had studied the Plan for the UHJ. At the first Hague Peace Conference in 1899, the Czar proposed the idea to have a World Court represented by all of the nations to solve the difficult problems of the world. Those present thought it was a wonderful idea and they eulogized the Czar so much that it all went to his head and he failed to proclaim Baha'u'llah, the Author of this wondrous Plan. Because he failed to do this, the World Court became very secular and we had WWI.
American President Woodrow Wilson made the next attempt. Wilson's daughter was a Baha'i, and many of Baha'u'llah's works outlining the UHJ were in the White House library, which he had studied. He decided to try to form the League of Nations, but couldn't get the U.S. to join, so all of the nations weren't represented, and again Baha'u'llah was not proclaimed, so this body also became very secular and didn't solve anything and we had WWII.
Finally we come to Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR). He and his wife, Eleanor, were secretly Baha'is. They attended fireside classes for three years in the home of a Baha'i physician in Washington DC. FDR became very deepened in the Faith and wanted to form the United Nations. The atom bomb was very near to being perfected at that time. His plan was to call the heads of state to the Nevada proving ground, explode a nuclear device, proclaim Baha'u'llah, and give this bomb to the UN so that all of the nations could simultaneously disarm. Well, Roosevelt died before he had the chance to do this, and when Harry Truman stepped into office, and they asked him if he'd follow through with FDR's plan, he said, "Hell no, we've got the bomb… the other nations can dance to our tune!" So now the UN is completely secular and solves nothing! It is a house of Injustice! ...

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

redpilltwice: OrphanCrow > (and I am not going to get into the dog story at all... that is a whole other ball of wax)
lol If you wouldn't have written that, I certainly would have asked about the dog!

Haha! Now that I have thought about it...I will take a crack at that ball of wax.

I have seen miraculous things happen when it comes to sickness and healing. With both people and animals. There is another common theme and that theme is caring/love.

Dogs have an unlimited capacity for love - they give and receive unconditionally.

I have known a dog that was diagnosed with cancer and given 2 weeks to live. Love sustained him for another year and a half. I had a dear friend diagnosed with cancer and given 2 months to live. He lived another year and a half. Love sustained him, too, and gave him extra time.

Caring, the sharing of love and compassion, can and does create miracles

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

Redpill, I am not discounting the experience of "healing hands". I have seen it work. I also know that pain is real, regardless of the source or cause - pain is pain.

What I am interested in is why healing hands work - what principles are at play.

With that said, I do believe that a person should approach and attempt alternative practices for managing pain only after a real doctor diagnosis. Unfortunately, I have known of people who went to a healer first - their pain disappeared but their undiagnosed cancer didn't. A responsible healer will always direct their patients to a medical doctor if they suspect a serious health problem

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

justfine: Redpill- I don't think I can answer OC questions any better than I have. You have to be present and it requires touch. I think that alone makes it so she couldn't heal someone without their knowledge because their presence is required.

Thx...your reply is just fine :)

The way you describe this interaction is such that the presence of belief is there, even if the patient says they don't believe and the healer says it isn't necessary. The simple act of a person approaching someone else for help implies that even if that person who is suffering doesn't believe in the method the healer is trying, they want to believe it will work. They want to be healed. They don't go to healers just to waste their time...they want healing to work. They desire healing

So, saying that "belief" isn't necessary is really a dodge of the issue - the person being treated desires results. The motivation to visit the healer, and submit to them trying to heal you, is a desire to believe

The healing hands incidents that are reported always have a common theme - the one being healed is aware that the potential is there. A person doesn't receive that gift anonymously and without awareness (and I am not going to get into the dog story at all... that is a whole other ball of wax)