Posts by OrphanCrow

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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

by wifibandit in

client intake—csa questionnaire.

general legal advice and direction.

hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

OrphanCrow

freddo: CSA = Child Sexual Abuse?

That makes sense

The client intake document is headed by this:

The information requested below will enable Watch Tower Legal Department (the “Legal Department”) to provide legal advice to the congregation and others who share a common interest with the congregation. The information will also enable the Legal Department to jointly defend the congregation elders, and the organisation of Jehovah's Witnesses, should litigation arise.

So that means that filling in this form and submitting it puts the entire congregation, including the victim(s) and the accused, in a client-lawyer relationship with the WT legal team. But especially so, the elders.

How does that work? Are the parties involved (victims, accused, witnesses, et al) given notice that they now have entered into this client relationship with WT lawyers? Are the victims aware that the WT lawyers will control all the information that is given to the elders? Do all parties concerned know that the elders (and everybody else who is part of the JW congregation) now have legal representation concerning the matter that will be addressed?

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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

by wifibandit in

client intake—csa questionnaire.

general legal advice and direction.

hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

OrphanCrow

Yeah. Now I get it. The call to the Legal Department.

That is instruction to the elders to "lawyer up". Immediately. Before they take a piss or fart or sneeze. Lawyer up. Protect the confidentiality of the information they are about to deal with.

These forms are to re-define the relationship between the WTS and the elders. The elders become clients of the WT legal team

And then the elders, who are now clients with legal representation, go off and conduct a kangaroo court where the victim has no representation, no prior knowledge of what is really happening. And neither does the accused. No representation. Nobody speaking for either party. But the elders have lawyers.

And everything that the victim, the accused, witnesses, et al, says goes into making a judicial decision that is now part of the elders' "confidential" information that they share with their lawyers, the WT legal team.

Yeah...the need to phone the legal team first before making any move has a primary purpose - to establish a client-lawyer relationship between the elders and the WTS. Protect information. Control information.

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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

by wifibandit in

client intake—csa questionnaire.

general legal advice and direction.

hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

OrphanCrow

Okay...reading the forms some more and I have questions...

1.) what do the letters CSA stand for?

2.) why is this a "client intake" form? Who is the "client"? The elders? (is this how they are trying to keep the info secret?)

3.) about the second document...the general legal guidelines...

- is there a textbook that we do not have access to? Is there a "Shepherd the Flock of God" textbook that is used to train the elders? The document makes reference to "chapter 5, paragraph 39" in regard to questioning minors

And, not a question but an observation.

#4 in the legal guideline document...notes are no longer to be taken. That is a big change. In testimony at the ARC (can't remember which WT goofus it was that said this), it was revealed that when a minor was to be questioned, one elder was to do the questioning while another one watched and took notes.

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CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

by wifibandit in

client intake—csa questionnaire.

general legal advice and direction.

hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

OrphanCrow

Well...that blows their stand on "clergy confidentiality" right out of the water

*to add...it makes me physically ill to read all the intrusive questions that are part of the WTS' investigative approach. What gives a religion the right to ask victims these personal questions? Why are they allowed to keep this data on file? Why are they allowed to detail child sex abuse crimes and keep records on the minor children involved and on the nature of the crimes committed against them???

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Trolley cart "witnessing" is getting ridiculous

by oppostate in

i really fail to see how much actual "witnessing" is occurring with the trolley carts.publishers, usually pioneers, just stand or sit there not engaging anyone and count their time.. the only thing i notice that it's accomplishing is brand exposure for jw.0rg so the public is exposed to the logo and literature/poster card headlines.. take for example this "evening" witnessing by a pioneer elder while on summer holiday/vacation.. .

is this not a wth kinda moment when you consider the years of slaving, knocking on doors, business territory and bible studies we had to keep performing so we weren't branded a "weak" publisher?.

OrphanCrow

startrekangel: Another clever way to increase the number of preaching hours while walking away from the publishing business, which costs money and brings in nothing. Witness evolution from a publishing house to a real state corporation.

...to a non profit corporation

A volunteer labor force is a critical component to maintaining non profit status

The trolleys accomplish two things - advertising and a tax free status

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I got my Bethel Application approved, I start in September

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

well it took awhile.

i've downsized.

got rid of my bmw.

OrphanCrow

Tell your wife to remember the starch for the GB's undies

I am curious. What is your special skill that makes you so special? Does it have anything at all to do with your anatomical qualifications?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

OrphanCrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVbnciQYMiM&list=PL7420408E36541DA4&index=33

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Brooklyn WT Building sells for $340 million usd

by Sanchy in

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friends

it seems they sold the brooklyn headquarters building for $340 million.

this according the an article here.

OrphanCrow

nowwhat: If I'm not mistaken, earlier this the property was expected to bring in close to a billion

Yes, but that was when the deal was to include another site besides the headquarters.

The 85 Jay Street deal is yet to be closed

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/8/4/12375806/brooklyn-heights-jehovahs-witness-watchtower-sale

For months there have been rumors that Kushner and LIVWRK would scoop up the headquarters, alongside a developable site at 85 Jay Street, for as much as $700 million. (The partnership was also supposed to include Aby Rosen's RFR Holdings but TRD hears that he is no longer involved.) While the team paid $340 million for the headquarters, they have yet to close on the 35,000-square-foot site at 85 Jay. That is likely to bring in big bucks: the parcel comes with 1.1 million square feet of as-of development rights, meaning they could build something like the supertall towers of 57th Street without a formal approval process.

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How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

by dogon in

i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

OrphanCrow

I was there. In the pre-75 JW world.

I clearly remember reading these 3 Awake! magazines - Oct 8, 1966; January 8, 1968; October 8, 1968:

download options from archive.org

aka "everything you wanted to know about 1975 but were afraid to ask"

aka "blueprint for f***ing up a whole lot of people's lives"

The Awake articles were only one of the many propaganda venues that the WTS used to ramp up the fear level

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There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

by ttdtt in

anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

OrphanCrow

JWgonebad: Wow!
For as long as I can remember, the sole purpose or one of the main reasons for the 'Do Not Call' section on the reverse of congregation territory cards was to honor and respect the wishes of homeowners in the territory by writing down a homeowner's address who simply doesn't want to be bothered by Jehovah's Witnesses when working in their neighborhood.
According to items #22 & #23 of this letter WT wants congregations to automatically extend this same courtesy to known pedophiles and child molesters. Just Wow!

That is the part of the letter that really stood out to me.

The letter describes the process that the secular world takes with confirmed pedophiles and rapists. The secular world warns the community that the offender is present within. So that the community can take appropriate steps to protect themselves.

Contrast that to how the JWs handle confirmed offenders. Firstly, they toss them out into the larger community with no warning system in place. AND...they don't even tell the JW community why they are tossing him/her out. And...then, if they deem the offender 'repentant' enough, they re-install him/her back into the JW community...again...with NO warning.

The WTS has NO regard for safety. Not within the JW community or within the larger community that they exist.

No respect whatsoever.

Yeah..."do not call" on homes identified by secular authorities as being dangerous...but send confirmed offenders door to door or re-install them as 'shepherds of the flock'