Posts by OrphanCrow

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New blood cards came to our hall today

by LevelThePlayingField in

at the end of the meeting an elder, by way of announcements said there is a new blood document that he said would be passed out to every baptized member of the congregation by way of their service group overseer.

i knew this day was coming, just had no idea of when.

he said it was a simplified version and sure to make you sign up for suicide.

OrphanCrow

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New blood cards came to our hall today

by LevelThePlayingField in

at the end of the meeting an elder, by way of announcements said there is a new blood document that he said would be passed out to every baptized member of the congregation by way of their service group overseer.

i knew this day was coming, just had no idea of when.

he said it was a simplified version and sure to make you sign up for suicide.

OrphanCrow

crazyguy: What does the law state about under age people being told to sign? Many are baptised but under 18

Contracts or documents signed by minors are not legally binding

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Stocks and Shares of the WTB&TS

by Truthexplorer in

watch the following video from 6 minutes 50 seconds to find out.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lrdx3vpug.

a woman wrote to the guy refuting his research.

here is his reply to back up his proof.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woqjxehuppq.

OrphanCrow

STA: if Rilley died in 1945, why does he say the trust was turned over to the WT in 1970?

Was there some corporate tax law changes in 1970 that would have required the WTS to declare the trust in that year but not before? Maybe someone who knows more about the history of laws that affected investments which would account for this trust showing up in 1970.

I think there was some shaking up going on with the IRS during the latter part of the 60s that saw the WTS lose their tax exemption on New York property in 1971. In 1974, that property tax exemption was restored (which would explain why Armageddon was delayed).

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Stocks and Shares of the WTB&TS

by Truthexplorer in

watch the following video from 6 minutes 50 seconds to find out.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lrdx3vpug.

a woman wrote to the guy refuting his research.

here is his reply to back up his proof.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woqjxehuppq.

OrphanCrow

The videos are long and I didn't watch them in their entirety.

But I downloaded the pdf from the video link:

http://playpdf.sa-media.com/media/927151845511/927151845511.pdf

For fun, I made a list of all the companies that the trust has investments in (please excuse the errors in spelling - the type was difficult to read):

Equities

Adobe Sys Inc

Amazon Com Inc

American Express Co

American-Intl Inc

Apple Inc

Avery Dennison Corp

Bank of America Corp

Baxter Intl Inc

Berkshire Hathaway CL B

BioGen Idec Inc

Blackrock Inc

Boeing Co

Bristol Myers Squibb Co

Celgene Corp

Conocophillips

Constellation Brands Inc

Devon Energy Corporation

Disney Walt Co

Dow Chemical Co

EOG Resources Inc

Ecolab Inc

Express Scripts Hldg Co

Facebook Inc

Fisery Inc

General Electric Co

Gilead Sciences Inc

Google Inc CL C

Harbor Intl FD

Hershey Co Common Stock

Home Depot Inc

Honeywell International Inc

International Flavors

Johnson & Johnson

Kansas City Southern

Kimberly Clark Corp

Kraft Foods Group Inc

Lions Gate Entertainment Corp

Lockheed Martin Corp

MFS Intl New Discovery

AMG Southernsun Small Cap-Inst

Medtronic Inc

Merk & Co Inc New

Microsoft Corp

Molson Coors Brewing Co CL B

Monsanto Co

Monster Beverage Corp

Morgan Stanley

Newell Rubbermaid Inc

Nike Inc

Nothrup Grumman Corp

Oppenheimer Developing Markets Fund - Y

PNC Financial Services Group

Pepsico Corp Inc

Pfizer Inc

Principal Midcap Blend

Procter & Gamble Co

Qualcomm Inc

Rollins Inc

Roper Inds Inc New

Starbucks Corp

Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc

Time Warner Inc

United Technologies Corp

Verizon Communications

Viacom Inc

Visa Inc

Wabtec Corp

Wells Fargo & Co New

Lazard Ltd

Fixed Income

BHP Finanace USA Ltd

Federal Home LN BKS

Lowes CCS Inc

Merk & Co Inc

Microsoft Corp

Oppenheimer Intl bond

Pimco Total Return FD Instl

Pimco High Yield FD Instl

Proctor & Gamble Co NT

Target Corp

Vanguard S/T Corporate FD-ADM

Alternative Investments

The Arbitrage Fund R

Cohen & Steers Realty SHS

Federated Prudent Bear Fund

Absolute Strategies Fund

Goldman Sachs TR Strategic Income FD

NY FDS Inc Asset Strategy FD CL

Mainstay FDS TR Market Field Fund

Pimco Commodity RR Strat Ins Strategy Fund-Ins

The second video talks about the different companies that the WTS has. I just looked up one of them and it was interesting to discover that it is a Foreign for Profit company but is now inactive.

Watchtower Associates Ltd. Inc

For an extensive list of corporations with WT connections:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/240171/update-corporations-wt-their-fornication-traveling-merchants

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Letter: Mexico special preaching campaign 2016/2017

by StarTrekAngel in

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b6b33rjkq_hfmvdutgjsbnhzm3c/view?usp=sharing.

see translation bellow.. dear brothers:.

we are glad to inform you about our next preaching campaign for the 2017 service year, in order to help spread the message of the good news "to the ends.

OrphanCrow

antes8080: ...I wonder why Mexico can only request to go in their own country. This is new they always let Mexicans go to Central America.

It's practice. For when the Wall is built

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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

by OrphanCrow in

acute normovolemic hemodilution.

hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

OrphanCrow

jwdaughter: I don't doubt that his parents said that, or that at that time that such a stance was not encouraged by the org

I agree

A situation like that did happen. In the United Kingdom, I believe it was. A JW child was transfused after the child was made a ward of the state. The parents refused to take the child home and the child remained a ward of the state. I am not sure what year that happened...I will have to look it up

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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

by OrphanCrow in

acute normovolemic hemodilution.

hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

OrphanCrow

Lee Elder: ...demonstrates how hard doctors have worked with JWs and the Watchtower to try and save lives. That has certainly pushed the technology forward

Lee, I don't agree with that statement. In fact, I would argue that the no blood doctrine has held technology back. The no blood doctrine has tied the hands of doctors who have wanted to help them but couldn't. The technology to save lives was already in place but the doctors couldn't use a lot of the technology that the rest of the population could - note that the heart lung machine could have easily been used months before on Terry yet the doctors weren't allowed to use it until the WTS' demands were met.

The single most influential procedure that has progressed surgery to the place we have it today is blood transfusions, NOT the refusal of blood.

As much as the Watchtower would like people to believe that the advances in the surgical technology came about because of them, it simply isn't true. Those advances were already happening and the JWs were just lucky enough to ride in on the back of technology that was designed and developed because of blood transfusions and the modifications that they demanded from medical professionals did NOT help the technology to advance. It impeded it.

If it were the case that the JWs' requests advanced the technology, then all ANH procedures would do it the way the JWs demand - with the lines still attached, etc. They don't. The JWs are the only ones who still insist on using a less than satisfactory way of administering ANH. The JW approach to medicine is not optimal.

And yes, a whole bunch of people have died following the WTS' medical advice. A whole bunch. There is nothing that can make up for that. Nothing. Saying that medical knowledge was advanced because of those deaths (sorry...but I have to be honest here) is just a regurgitation of the Watchtower myth. It isn't true. It never will be true.

*to add - I need to modify my statement about the advancement of medical knowledge. What the JWs have contributed is an awareness of what doesn't work. Fluosol-DA didn't work - it was pulled off the market (tested on the JW population). Hemopure didn't work - it was pulled off the market (except for JWs). Hetastarch didn't work - it has limited use and a FDA warning...but is still used by JWs

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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

by OrphanCrow in

acute normovolemic hemodilution.

hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

OrphanCrow

vidiot: Makes you wonder what Terry Johnson thought of his parents' views by the time he was older and learned the whole story.

That has crossed my mind, too, vidiot.

Terry would be 53 years old now. I would like to know if he is still alive.

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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

by OrphanCrow in

acute normovolemic hemodilution.

hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

OrphanCrow

jwdaughter: They threatened to not take their child home if he was given blood? I fault the state agency that didn't rescue the child from such abuse. Totally monstrous parents.

The situation happened in 1970, at a time that the courts had had some experience with dealing with the blood ban, but there were other circumstances that influenced the doctors' behavior. This is how it was written in the Newsweek article:

The doctors considered going to court to obtain temporary custody of the boy so that they could operate without his parents' consent, an alternative that had been used periodically in other Jehovah's witness cases. Then the Johnson's proclaimed that they would not take Terry back into their home if such a course was taken. In the face of this, plus some adverse comment in the local press, the doctors sent Terry back home while they pondered other ways to solve the dilemna. "The parents were very calm and reasonable, even though they were insistent on a strict interpretation of their religious rules," recalls heart surgeon Dr. Mortimer J. Buckley. "We were willing to bend over backward."

I am curious as to what the "adverse comment in the local press" was. The WTS has a history of 'spiking' popular opinion by submitting articles to the media and it would fit their pattern if that adverse media had been provoked by the WTS themselves.

Dagney: The WT are painting themselves into a well deserved corner with the blood issue.

And I am happy to pick up a brush to make sure the job is done. Hell, I will even buy the paint.

I think their corner on the bloodless market might be getting a little small lately. In spite of the hype that the WTS has circulated concerning bloodless surgery, I have a feeling that their well laid plans for the golden standard of care could be faltering right about........now.

I am not sure that all those bloodless clinics that the JWs started in the States over the past couple decades have enough patients to keep them viable. Instead of an expansion into the bloodless world, I have a sneaking suspicion that we will be seeing some of them close their doors in the not too distant future.

Bloodless surgery options do not perform as well as the WTS noblood crew would like people to believe.

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JW child first pediatric patient to receive acute normovolemic hemodilution - 1970

by OrphanCrow in

acute normovolemic hemodilution.

hemodilution simply refers to the process of diluting the blood with another substance.

there are various ways that this is done before, during and after the surgical process.

OrphanCrow

AndersAnderson: Wow, you're digging deep!
Great find and write up. Thanks!
Are you planning on presenting/publishing your research somehow?

Thanks Anders.

I have had the Newsweek article for several years but it has taken me this long to put all the pieces together. Just learning about what all the medical procedures are is a daunting endeavor and then wading through medical studies and making timelines and connections is really complicated.

About publishing - I know, I know...I get that suggestion a lot.

I don't feel like I am ready. Not yet. I keep finding new material and I feel like I am missing pieces. Publishing now would be like framing a puzzle but not putting the last three pieces in the picture.

I "publish" what I find on these forums and hope that the material I unearth is useful to someone somewhere...sometime. I don't like the idea of holding information back. Maybe someday I will be able to put it all together but in the meantime, I will just keep plugging away and sharing what I find.