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  Jehovah God is Real

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

  but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

  yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..

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  takeooffthecrown: Jehovah has done many things out of the ordinary.

  How do you know that?
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  AUSTRALIAN ROYAL COMMISSION OF INQUIRY: MAIN CONCLUSIONS ON JW ORGANIZATION

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  10 response of the jehovah’s witness organisation to the sexual abuse of children.

  having regard to the various matters we have discussed in this report, we have reached a number of general conclusions on the jehovah’s witness organisation’s response to the sexual abuse of children.

  we do not consider the jehovah’s witness organisation to be an organisation which responds adequately to child sexual abuse.

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  stuckinarut: And when will the society learn that they could earn so much public goodwill by simply saying " we made some serious mistakes. We did not conduct ourselves properly."
  Of course we all know, that will never happen. They will never admit to being wrong like this

  But...isn't this what the latest gem from the GB is gearing up for? The statement in the WT that the GB are "not infallible"? "Not perfect" and they can make mistakes?

  They have already started preparing the way for a response to this report. They know they have f***ed up. They know that the only way out of this is that they will have to offer some kind of a public apology for their past mistakes.

  I don't see how they can get away with not admitting their wrong. This isn't like the '75 fiasco where they can blame the adherents for their "mistake". This is public. Very public. It is, and will be, all over public media. And it is just starting.

  Next will be the March 2017 hearing. That should give them lots of time to figure out how to word their apology and admit to their mistakes. If they don't apologize...I think it will get really ugly really quickly. More ugly that it even is now.
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  Royal Commission Australia - Report into Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society has been released

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  link to pdf:.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/report-of-case-study-no-29.

  reading it now...no comment yet.

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  The number of times that the ARC told the WT that they were wrong:

  The Royal Commission is of the view that application of the two-witness rule in cases involving child sexual abuse is wrong.
  
  ...it was wrong of the elders to require BCG to make her allegations of child sexual abuse against BCH while BCH was present.
  
  We are also of the view that the decision of Mr Ali, Mr Bowditch and Mr De Rooy to disfellowship BCH on grounds that related only to his infidelity was wrong because it took no account of the evidence presented to the judicial committee of BCH having abused his daughters BCG and BCK.
  
  ...it was wrong of the elders on the appeal committee to require BCG to give details of her abuse by BCH in front of a group of men, including BCH.
  
  We consider it unreasonable and wrong that the Jehovah’s Witness organisation failed to take precautionary steps to protect other children in the congregation from the risk of sexual abuse by BCH on the basis that he was disfellowshipped for having only sexually abused a child of his own.
  
  ...it was wrong of the elders to require BCB to make her allegations of child sexual abuse against Bill Neill when Bill Neill was present.
  
  The rigidity of reliance upon biblical text in the face of obvious danger to children was wrong.
  
  The process by which her allegations were received and investigated and the response of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation were wrong.
  
  In the case of a complainant who is still a minor, the organisation’s justification that it is a survivor’s ‘absolute right’ to make the report themselves is wrong and does nothing to protect that child and other children from sexual abuse.

  
  Regardless of the biblical origins of the two-witness rule, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation’s retention of and continued application of the rule to a complaint of child sexual abuse is wrong.

  
  A complainant of child sexual abuse whose allegation has not been corroborated by confession by their abuser or a second ‘credible’ eyewitness is necessarily disempowered and subjected to ongoing traumatisation. To place a victim of child sexual abuse in such a position is today, and was 30 years ago, unacceptable and wrong.

  Eleven wrongs do not make truth.

  And the things that the ARC will "not accept"...the things that are unacceptable:

  In any event, as set out above, we do not accept that Mr Ali, Mr Bowditch and Mr De Rooy did not have enough evidence before them that BCH had sexually abused BCG and BCK.

  
  In the light of Mr Spinks’ acknowledgement above, we do not accept that the reference to ‘members’ in relation to the 1,006 figure is incorrect. The debate has no merit.

  
  We do not accept that an elder of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation will never be obliged to report his knowledge or belief that child sexual abuse has been committed.

  
  In these circumstances, we do not accept the opinions that Dr Applewhite expressed in paragraphs 36, 45 and 46 of her report.

  
  We do not accept that the child sexual abuse revealed in this case study has no connection with the activities of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation.

  The wrongs and the unacceptable

  The "Truth" is wrong
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  Royal Commission Australia - Report into Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society has been released

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  link to pdf:.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/report-of-case-study-no-29.

  reading it now...no comment yet.

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  Thumbnail comments

  Two phrases that appear repeatedly throughout the document:

  "We do not accept...." - in reference to the Royal Commission not accepting whatever excuse the WT offered

  And "The Royal Commission is of the view that ..... is wrong" - in reference to numerous things such as organizational behavior of the elders, etc

  My favorite comment, though, comes right after the excuses that the WT had submitted about the historical data:

  " We do not find it necessary to comment on these submissions. The numbers tell their own story."
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  Royal Commission Australia - Report into Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society has been released

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  link to pdf:.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/report-of-case-study-no-29.

  reading it now...no comment yet.

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  Link to pdf:

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29

  Reading it now...no comment yet
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  Calls to amend Quebec Civil Code mount in wake of Jehovah's Witness death

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-death-quebec-civil-code-1.3868610.

  calls to amend quebec civil code mount in wake of jehovah's witness death.

  calls to reform quebec's civil code are mounting in response to the death of éloïse dupuis, a 26-year-old jehovah's witness woman, six days after she gave birth in october.. emergency situations.

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  evilapostate: I think that parents should not be allowed to force minors to refuse life saving treatment involving blood.

  I agree. I think that if a parent refuses a life saving blood transfusion for their minor child that it should be a criminal offense. If parents started getting charged for placing their child's life in danger, more children would get the medical care that they deserve.

  Most countries have acts/laws that allow a doctor to transfuse a minor but that doesn't stop the JWs from acting out their blood phobia on vulnerable children. And it doesn't stop those medical doctors who think that it is just fine to try out alternative and experimental procedures on minor children when they decide that they will "respect" the parents' wishes.

  How that applies to this case here, where a young mother died and left a child behind, is that the child had no say in whether or not it was okay for their mother to sacrifice herself for that blood phobia. I am totally in agreement that the child is entitled to legal representation when their future if going to be effected.

  The JWs have no regard for anyone else except themselves. The blood doctrine has got to be the most selfish doctrine ever made - the impact that this doctrine has had on the rest of the world is immeasurable. The people left behind to cope when a JW sacrifices themselves, the medical staff forced to watch someone die who didn't have to, the health care systems forced to undertake procedures that are experimental and off-label, the extra financial burden that alternative procedures entail, the legal system that gets bogged down with individuals that represent a corporation, and a donor pool that gets sucked on to support the so-called bloodless procedures that use blood products in its delivery.

  I support the right of an individual to refuse medical treatment(s). No problem - I am all in favor of it. What I am not in favor of is a corporation that gives inaccurate and incomplete medical information to people and then those people die because of that wrong advice.

  I would like to see the Watchtower held accountable for giving out bad and inaccurate medical information. Their literature and publications are full of wrong conclusions and incomplete information. Their medical advice is just plain wrong. There is no way that an argument can be made that a JW's decision is informed. The only information they have (and that information is wrong) comes directly from the WTS. And the WTS has lied. Extensively. The JWs are not informed. It is impossible for a JW to make an informed decision.

  If any other corporation gave out medical advice and that advice was erroneous, they would be forced to take their product off the market or be forced to correct their wrong information.

  The comments on the above story are revealing - there are several JW apologists who claim that EPOs are a suitable and effective treatment for blood loss. That is incorrect - it is false. EPOs, used as the JWs do, are not effective for extreme blood loss and yet the WT still tells their adherents that EPOs are better and more effective.

  I don't have a problem with someone refusing a blood transfusion or any other medical treatment. I want that option for myself. But I do have a problem when that decision is based on faulty information. If I decided to refuse a medical procedure because I believed that the procedure was bad, and yet I was given the wrong information to arrive at that decision, then I would be upset and so would all my friends and family who would be effected by that bad information.
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  Calls to amend Quebec Civil Code mount in wake of Jehovah's Witness death

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-death-quebec-civil-code-1.3868610.

  calls to amend quebec civil code mount in wake of jehovah's witness death.

  calls to reform quebec's civil code are mounting in response to the death of éloïse dupuis, a 26-year-old jehovah's witness woman, six days after she gave birth in october.. emergency situations.

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  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-death-quebec-civil-code-1.3868610

  Calls to amend Quebec Civil Code mount in wake of Jehovah's Witness death

  Calls to reform Quebec's Civil Code are mounting in response to the death of Éloïse Dupuis, a 26-year-old Jehovah's Witness woman, six days after she gave birth in October.

  Emergency situations

  Dr. Antoine Payot, director of the ethics unit at Montreal's Sainte-Justine Hospital, says his clinical experience raises serious questions about the validity of refusals in emergency situations.

  Those doubts led Payot and his colleague, emergency pediatrician Dr. Guylaine Larose, to pen a recent opinion piece in Montreal's La Presse newspaper calling for the Civil Code's modification.

  In an interview with CBC, the doctors said they want the law changed to allow medical practitioners faced with a life-or-death situation to provide life-saving treatment.

  *read full article at link
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  Children and Blood Transfusions

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a hospital in qld.

  australia sought orders to allow a blood transfusion on a minor if necessary.

  this occurred on the 12th june 2015.the child was 7 years old and required a liver transplant within the next two or three years otherwise death was seen as inevitable.

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  rebel8: If it is truly allowed for the parents to just shrug and say, "Oh well, whatareyagonnado?" and remain in good standing, this is a definite change in policy over the last 30 years.

  Rebel, your memories of what it was like to be a child, trained to hide medical abuse, makes my stomach heave.

  I think that the relief that the parents' feel is that they won't be exposed to the media that would be all over it if they had to go to court. The relief is the sparing of the public shame that they would have to face - and knowing that they would have to face it along with the very real internal shame they will carry until the day they die - the shame of knowing that they let their child die so that they themselves would be saved

  It would not surprise me in the least if there are JW children all over the world, right now, going through the abuse that you did, Rebel. Just because a JW child needs a blood transfusion doesn't mean that hospitals, doctors or courts will even know about it so that something can be done.

  And the JW parents are placated by the WT nonsense that they have bouncing around in their heads about how bad blood is. Their children suffer because the scenario that involves the intervention of the legal system most often comes as too little too late

  6 pages of court cases involving JW minor children and blood
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  Blood Ban Not Going Away Anytime Soon

  by baldeagle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  at the recent circuit assembly in our area (nov 19/2016) a talk was given in the afternoon entitled “jehovah will resurrect the dead” it’s clear that the prohibition on blood is not going away anytime soon.

  many of us here have expressed the hope that this death dealing policy would be softened or become a complete conscience matter.

  not the case, jw’s are urged to not give in and to focus on the resurrection hope.

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  Tor1500: ...what's the chance of any of us needing a transfusion...not saying it won't happen, but what are the odds...

  1 out of 3 people will need blood in their lifetime

  (lots of references for this...google it and take your pick)
  
  
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  Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust

  by David_Jay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.

  this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.

  what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.

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  OrphanCrow

  The anointed is an overlapping number

  The doctrine is going to change. The WT has full control on how many they choose to publish as partakers