Posts by OrphanCrow

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

Millie:
So what is it about "polymerizing" that makes the red blood cell no longer intact?
I am trying to understand how the Org justifies and reasons on this.

Never mind the polymerizing, how does the Org justify that the blood (from cows and humans) has been stored and then processed? What about the scripture that says that blood is to be poured on the ground?

That is the part I can't wrap my head around.

The Org prohibits the storage of a person's own blood based on that notion, yet they will approve human blood that has been stored, and animal blood that has been stored.

Like I said, the blood ban is ridiculous. It isn't a ban based on scripture at all.

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

CovertSadJW: So.....bovine hemoglobin is okay? , but human is not ? Where is the logic in that?

The logic is WT logic. And it has to do with money.

The WT's HIS direct JW patients into clinical trials for blood substitutes. And, when the trials are halted, and that blood product is sitting in "unapproved" status, the JWs come in handy in keeping that product in production as a "compassionate use" drug. "Refusal of blood for religious reasons" is the catch phrase that keeps Hemopure on the market. The JW patient is quite valuable to the companies that develop blood alternatives.

JWs have been guinea pigs for products such as Fluosol-Da and Hemopure, etc

By the way, did you know that Hemopure is basically the same as Oxygent, the blood substitute that has been approved for veterinarian use? The JW patient gets blood that is used for dogs. The JW patient is the next step up from animal testing.

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

sparrow: Seems ironic that bovine hemoglobin would be acceptable in life saving circumstances and JWs refer to themselves as "sheep."

What else is ironic is that the OT scripture they always pull out to defend the WT's blood phobia specifically is about animal blood. And yet that is exactly what the WT has approved for JWs to have transfused - animal blood.

The so-called "blood ban" is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. All parts of blood is WT "approved" - the WT decides when blood can be used and what part of the blood is used. The JW patient just follows the herd and signs on the dotted line.

It isn't a blood ban. It is a blood phobia that is tightly controlled and administered by the WT's Hospital Information Services.

*you are welcome, TD. Yeah...memory is a bugger sometimes

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WTBTS – assistance following an incident at bethel

by Tallon in

i haven’t posted for quite a while as i needed a break – although i have been lurking.. can anyone confirm if the wtbts give assistance to someone who has been involved in an incident whilst working at bethel and, as a result, must leave?.

the reason i’m asking is that, back in the 80’s, i knew a sister who was in bethel service.

she was assigned to the cleaning department.

OrphanCrow

There was a woman who sued the WTS back in the early 2000s because of an injury she had while working at Bethel.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/boroughs/jehovah-loses-comp-case-church-forced-pay-millions-article-1.611540

A 46-YEAR-OLD WOMAN who devoted her life to the Jehovah's Witnesses said she was forced to move from their Brooklyn compound after she was seriously injured while serving the church. But a judge's ruling this week that she is entitled to worker's compensation payments could end up costing the church millions of dollars. Brenda Upton and her husband, Michael, took a vow of poverty and moved to the Witnesses' Brooklyn headquarters in 1998 to work as chiropractors for other church members. She injured her spine while running to catch a bus at an upstate church compound later that year. "They take wonderful care of you up to a point, and then you're on your own," Upton said. "That's why we wound up going to court.
" She said she suffered debilitating nerve injuries that have left her barely able to carry a laundry basket. The church took care of her medical care until 2001, when she and her husband were asked to leave and were given a $79,000 stipend. But Workers' Compensation Law Judge Stephen Goldstein ruled Wednesday that Upton is entitled to $400 a week in workers' compensation payments. "I'm finding they were not religious volunteers," Goldstein said. "They were engaged, particularly Dr. Brenda Upton, in a number of work-like activities.
" The Witnesses vowed to appeal the ruling, saying Upton and the other 5,800 Witnesses who live and work in the church's New York operations are volunteers, not employees. But if the decision stands, the Witnesses - and other religious organizations - could potentially face millions of dollars in workers' compensation insurance premiums and payments, said church lawyer John Miller. "It'll pretty much put religious orders out of business," Miller said. "It would certainly impact whether we would ever want to continue operations" in New York. The church owns about 40 properties in downtown Brooklyn and has plans to build a huge new structure on a vacant lot. Miller would not speculate how the workers' compensation case would affect those plans. "We don't have a spiritual conflict," said Upton, who has moved with her husband to Washington State. "Our problem all along has been medical-legal. We are still active Jehovah's Witnesses.

I haven't been able to find out how that all turned out, but there is a thread on this forum that discusses the case:

(22 pages!!...I haven't read them all)

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/105169/real-big-news-wts-sued-biggie-worker-compensation

And then there is Spain. When the WTS was told that they had to pay pensions for the volunteer Bethel workers in Spain, the WTS just up and moved the printing to Germany.

http://www.anthonymathenia.com/spanish-jws-upset-over-bethel-move/

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

TD: one of the Hb based substitutes in competition with Hemopure and Polyheme was in fact made from donated human blood whose shelf life had expired. (Hemassist by Baxter Laboratories)

You are correct that Hemassist was made from expired human blood, but so was Polyheme (made by Northfield labs). Polyheme has also been used on JW patients.

Hemassist clinical trials, in the late 90s, were halted when the subjects died at a much greater rate than those who didn't receive it.

In fact, all the blood "substitutes" that have been tried on JWs have proven to be less effective than blood itself

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They are all dead!

by Sour Grapes in

the watchtower company and the jdubs talk so nonchalantly about the year 1914, the year they say jesus became king in the heavenly kingdom.

they talk about the year like it was just a short time ago.

the invisible king began ruling in the invisible kingdom.

OrphanCrow

cofty: Fourteen years old in 1914 was the generally accepted limit. That would make them 118 now.

oops...ignore me (edit - I can't add)

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Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 in

in the aftermath of the valentine's day school shooting in florida, i have read quite a number of articles, blogs and posts about the event.

it is disturbing--and i think inexcusable--that many people take the opportunity to use horrible tragedies such as this to push their own particular agenda.. in particularly insensitive and tone-deaf tweet, conservative political commentator tomi lahren wrote: "can the left let the families grieve for even 24 hours before they push their anti-gun and anti-gunowner agenda?

my goodness.

OrphanCrow

'Don't shoot me': Documents reveal chilling account of La Loche shooting spree that killed 4, injured 7

At one minute after 1 p.m. on Jan. 22, 2016, a teenager in La Loche, Sask., wrote a text message to a group of friends.
That message began: "im done with life."
The teen had just killed two people. He was about to kill more.
A friend replied to that initial message by writing: "Why?"
More than two years after the shooting, that question still hangs in the air.
During police interviews and in a statement he read in court, the shooter has given no rationale for why he killed four people or shot up his school.
During a week-long sentencing proceeding, the only hint at a motive was that the teen felt he was "hated at school."
But it's clear from court documents that a few minutes after that text message exchange with friends, the teen walked into the Dene Building of the La Loche Community School with a shotgun and opened fire.
By the time the carnage was over, two people in that school were dead — teacher Adam Wood, 35, and teacher's assistant Marie Janvier, 21 — and seven more were wounded.

read full account here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/documents-account-la-loche-what-happened-1.4545956

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Warning of Possible Measles Exposure - Watchtower Bible Tour

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

(thanks to darkspliver on reddit for this story).

http://wamc.org/post/nys-doh-tourist-measles-visited-hv-locales.

the new york state department of health says a tourist from australia who has been confirmed to have measles visited hotels in new york city along with some places in the hudson valley.state health officials say the tourist was part of an oasis bible tour group at the metropolitan museum of art in manhattan, and visited the watchtower educational center in patterson in putnam county, a hotel and urgent care center in orange county and orange regional medical center’s emergency department.

OrphanCrow

(thanks to darkspliver on reddit for this story)

http://wamc.org/post/nys-doh-tourist-measles-visited-hv-locales

The New York state Department of Health says a tourist from Australia who has been confirmed to have measles visited hotels in New York City along with some places in the Hudson Valley.
State health officials say the tourist was part of an Oasis Bible Tour group at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan, and visited the Watchtower Educational Center in Patterson in Putnam County, a hotel and urgent care center in Orange County and Orange Regional Medical Center’s Emergency Department. This was between February 16 – 21, potentially exposing others to measles. They say the risk of developing measles is very low, especially for people who have been immunized.
The following is from a news release from the NYS DOH:
Anyone who visited the following locations may have been exposed:
La Quinta Inn, 31 W. 71st Street, New York, NY, between February 16 and the morning of February 19, 2018.
Oasis Bible Tours at The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1000 5th Avenue, New York, NY, the morning of February 16, and the evening of February 17, 2018.
Watchtower Educational Center, 100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, NY, between 12:30 p.m. – 6:30 p.m. on February 19, 2018.
Best Western Hotel, 1324 Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn, NY, from February 19 until 12:00 p.m. on February 20, 2018.
Comfort Inn & Suites Goshen – Middletown, 20 Hatfield Lane, Goshen, NY, from 4:30 p.m. on February 20 until 10:30 a.m. on February 21, 2018.
Excel Urgent Care, 1 Hatfield Lane, Goshen, NY, between 8:00 a.m. – 11:30 a.m. on February 21, 2018.
Orange Regional Medical Center, Emergency Department, 707 E. Main Street, Middletown, NY, between 9:00 a.m. – 4:00 p.m. on February 21, 2018.
These times reflect the period that the infected individual was in these areas and a two-hour period after the individual left the area, as the virus remains alive in air and on surfaces for up to two hours. This explains the overlap in times.Those individuals lacking immunity or who are not sure if they have been vaccinated, should contact their health care provider if they develop measles symptoms. Symptoms include a fever, rash, cough, conjunctivitis or runny nose. Symptoms usually appear in 10-12 days after exposure. Individuals who may have been exposed and who lack immunity could begin experiencing symptoms at this time.To prevent the spread of illness, the Department is advising individuals who may have been exposed and who have symptoms consistent with measles to contact their health care provider, a local clinic, or a local emergency department before going for care. This will help to prevent others at these facilities from being exposed to the illness.Measles is a highly contagious respiratory disease caused by a virus that is spread by direct contact with nasal or throat secretions of infected people. People first develop a fever, then may have a cough, runny nose and watery eyes, followed by appearance of the rash.The state Department of Health will issue a health advisory to health care providers in the metropolitan New York City region to notify them of the potential exposure. Health care providers should report all suspected cases of measles to their local health department.

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2018 Regional Convention program available on JW.borg

by sir82 in

jw
friends

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2018/.

friday.

be courageous and very strong”—joshua 1:7

OrphanCrow

"(mongeese?)"

Nope. Mongooses is the correct plural.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/group/mongooses/

Image result for mongoose cartoon

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

OrphanCrow

venus: Before asking for proof, think about this. A seed can feel it is finished as it has been buried—it doesn’t know it has only been planted to continue living! There is no need to show the proof that there is life after its seeming burial.

Yeah, you should think, Venus. Instead, you have used a ridiculous analogy for your illustration.

Think about this: seeds don't feel and seeds don't know because...well, a seed doesn't have a brain.

This is a typical bullshit device used by creationists and religious nutjobs everywhere - they pull some ridiculous illustration, out of their nether regions, that seems to make sense but doesn't. They project human capabilities onto things that don't have human capabilities. Fairly tale animism. They rely on the stupidity of their audience to get applause for pulling a rabbit out of the hat when they had that stupid rabbit in their pocket all along