Posts by OrphanCrow

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CO working at Walmart

by the girl next door in

it just took me by surprise.

i remember him from a decade or so ago.

he came up with gems like, “weddings are for women, they are not necessary.” also, “if you want to be truly happy, marry an ugly woman.”.

OrphanCrow

Best life ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpPUUWp5sO4

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: Seriously though, this just demonstrates the real reason most JWs toe the transfusion line... they're not overly concerned with what the Bible says about the subject, or even the safety issues.
They're simply too scared of being found out and punished by the Org for maybe treading close to the line.

They don't want to think about it. They just want to do whatever they are told to do so that they get their ticket to paradise.

It doesn't take much thinking, though, to find the glaring discrepancies in the Org's approval of Hemopure and other HBOC's.

One of the procedures that is on the org's banned list is autologous blood transfusions - where the patient pre-donates their own blood for use in planned surgeries. The reason that is given as to why this is unacceptable is that "blood is to be poured on the ground". It is not to be stored.

And one of the procedures that has been acceptable for decades is cardiopulmonary bypass (heart and lung machine) but the WTS/org has been a big deal about how the lines carrying the blood are to be uninterrupted and connected to the patient at all times. Apparently, this is to ensure that the blood isn't stored. That it is a continuous circuit. Why? To adhere to the prohibition against storing blood.

And along comes Hemopure. Animal blood. Collected from herds of donor cows. Drained from dead carcasses, put in containers, cooled, and then processed.

Stored animal blood. Gets the green light.

How much thinking does it take to know that the blood doctrine isn't isn't based on the Bible at all?

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Special Pioneer Vow Of Obedience And Poverty Contract - Is This Legit?

by pale.emperor in

somebody posted the contract on exjwreddit: https://i.redd.it/1u8808gy6ni01.jpg.

it appears to be signed by howie ernest rutledge.

im assuming this is howie rutledge tran, former assistant to the gb?.

OrphanCrow

I am curious about point "6" in the vow

6. To turn over to the local organization of the Order all income received from any work or personal efforts in excess of my necessary living expenses, unless released from this vow by the Order;

My question: would this include any income derived from an inheritance?

Howie: This was the new "Vow of Obedience and Poverty" that we had to sign in 2002 (I don't remember signing one before this one and I had been at Bethel since 1995, so already 7 years in when I was required to sign this one).

Would this new 'vow of poverty' have anything to do with the restructuring that occurred in 2000(1?) when the WTS cut loose the "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses? It seems as though it was then that the CCJW structured itself into a 'mainstream' religion, likely to take advantage of being a 'religion' under the charity tax laws

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

Oh, I get what you are saying now, Crazyguy. Yes, the org okays hemoglobin. There is no disputing that. Hemoglobin is red blood cells.

The contradiction exists between the WT/Org policy and the scriptures that they say they base their blood ban on.

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

crazyguy: Actually a JW can have human hemoglobin.
There is no contradiction on this point about their blood policy.

Please explain how this is "no contradiction"

From my research the human hemoglobin for some reason is less effective then the product Hemopure.

Again, please explain. More detail needed. Do you mean the blood substitute made from expired human blood, or do you mean human blood, as commonly used in blood transfusions when red blood cells are needed?

The FDA stopped human trials of hemopure because it did not work as well as human blood and because there were too many fatalities and associated health risks

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

sir82: You'll be waiting a good long time if you hope to hear a connection between "logic" and "JW policy & beliefs".

Actually, anytime I have looked for some sort of connection, I always found it in the $$$ to be made.

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

You are welcome, Steve.

a topic that is not often heard in ex-JW circles

I don't know why it isn't heard more often.

How much more can it be in a person's face that the Org/WTS has lied about the "blood ban"? Not only is the Hemopure "approval" in direct contradiction to the scriptural basis for the ban, but it isn't too difficult to unearth the connection between Hemopure and the US military (and don't forget about STORMACT).

The Org/WTS prohibits a JW from wearing a military uniform, but the Org itself (through the Hospital Information Services and their HLC squad) arranges for a JW to wear a hospital gown in "service to their country".

I don't get it. How did this happen? Why is it okay for the WTS to collaborate with the military when it comes to blood, but JWs go to jail when they refuse to serve? Do JWs who die after getting a transfusion of cow's blood, get taken to the morgue with an American flag draped over them?

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

*correction to earlier post - the veterinary product that is used on dogs, and is produced by the same company that makes Hemopure, is called Oxyglobin, not Oxygent

Another thing about Hemopure...the development and testing of the product is financed by the US Navy.

From the above link:

Under its research agreement with Biopure, the Naval Medical Research Center (NMRC) has primary responsibility for designing, seeking Food and Drug Administration (FDA) acceptance of and conducting a proposed Phase 2/3 clinical trial of Hemopure in trauma patients with severe hemorrhagic shock in the out-of-hospital setting. Entitled "Restore Effective Survival in Shock (RESUS)," this trial represents a unique collaboration between scientists and clinicians from the military, academic hospitals, a nonprofit organization and Biopure under the direction of the NMRC.

Who do you think is the "nonprofit organization" that collaborates with the military and Biopure?

Any use of Hemopure by JWs is arranged by the WT's HLC and they acquire consent from the FDA through their cooperation with the US Navy. It's the only way that Hemopure can be accessed.

Hemopure has had a LOT of problems over the course of its development and getting approval from the FDA to run trials is only one of them. The US Navy has been frustrated at several turns trying to get Hemopure approved and have been turned down in their attempts to design a trial that uses JW patients (see an earlier thread about this...someplace on this forum).

I don't think it is too difficult to guess who the patients are in this quote:

One of the internal report’s co-authors told The Globe that the FDA’s safety concerns aren’t valid, because the patients tested with Hemopure in the proposed trial would likely die anyway.

That is an expression that has been repeated many times when dealing with JW patients who refuse blood - "the patient will die anyway".

Dying JW patients are valuable to the US Navy.*

*JWs make for an excellent control group for the US Navy. They don't smoke and they don't serve in the military. Nice clean sample to use.

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

Millie:
So what is it about "polymerizing" that makes the red blood cell no longer intact?
I am trying to understand how the Org justifies and reasons on this.

Never mind the polymerizing, how does the Org justify that the blood (from cows and humans) has been stored and then processed? What about the scripture that says that blood is to be poured on the ground?

That is the part I can't wrap my head around.

The Org prohibits the storage of a person's own blood based on that notion, yet they will approve human blood that has been stored, and animal blood that has been stored.

Like I said, the blood ban is ridiculous. It isn't a ban based on scripture at all.

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

OrphanCrow

CovertSadJW: So.....bovine hemoglobin is okay? , but human is not ? Where is the logic in that?

The logic is WT logic. And it has to do with money.

The WT's HIS direct JW patients into clinical trials for blood substitutes. And, when the trials are halted, and that blood product is sitting in "unapproved" status, the JWs come in handy in keeping that product in production as a "compassionate use" drug. "Refusal of blood for religious reasons" is the catch phrase that keeps Hemopure on the market. The JW patient is quite valuable to the companies that develop blood alternatives.

JWs have been guinea pigs for products such as Fluosol-Da and Hemopure, etc

By the way, did you know that Hemopure is basically the same as Oxygent, the blood substitute that has been approved for veterinarian use? The JW patient gets blood that is used for dogs. The JW patient is the next step up from animal testing.