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  Is it clergy privilege?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  just wanted to pose the question to the group and see what the general opinion is vs what the wt may have claimed in other cases.. we all know that they have argued over clergy privilege when elder learn of a crime but keep quiet about it.

  regardless of what one may feel about this, lets assume for a minute that they are correct.. all elders are directed to contact the branch when they learn of a case of child abuse.

  would the conversation between the elder and the branch be considered under the "clergy privilege"?

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  StarTrek: All elders are directed to contact the branch when they learn of a case of child abuse. Would the conversation between the elder and the branch be considered under the "clergy privilege"? Doesn't clergy privilege apply only when a priest/pastor speaks with a congregant?

  The directions for the elders to contact the legal department is to establish a lawyer-client relationship between the elders and the org. The phone call gives the elders legal representation and as such, all their communication with the org becomes confidential.

  However, once the elders contact the legal department, they themselves have broken the clergy-penitent privilege and for the life of me, I cannot understand how or why this so-called clergy "privilege" has been allowed to stand.

  The org protects their secret pedophile database through the concept of lawyer-client privilege, not clergy privilege.

  As per usual, the org wants their cake and eat it too: estoppel.
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  Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.

  it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.

  it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.

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  freemindfade: A few years back darkmatters2525 (they do funny you tube animation on the Bible), did a video about the inevitable endless plight of SJW's. Eventually, everything becomes guilty and everything becomes banned, even all the SJW's.

  Oh.

  I think there is a tv series about that too

  
  
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  I've graduated at last

  by fulltimestudent in

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  2. friends

  after a bit of a kerfuffle over a procedural matter, my university has awarded me a degree.

  (the procedural problem was caused by my independent selection of what i wanted to study).

  award : bachelor of arts.

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  Congratulations, FullTimeStudent!

  An education is the best investment - nobody can ever take it away from you and you cannot lose it. You will always have a degree. It is yours forever now

  Good luck in your graduate work (I know you want to...). Education is addictive
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  Lastman: There is lots new

  But..but...did they release the master ledger of the org's entire financial records?

  Do we have that available to us? Do we have a way of checking the validity of their claims?
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  I don't think it is a ploy to extract more donations.

  It is a ploy to appear like they are broke to avoid paying redress. They don't want to be held accountable for child abuse victims (or for all the deaths and suffering that their blood doctrine has and is causing)

  I agree with DesirousOfChange

  Dog and pony show

  Smoke and mirrors

  Their lips are moving
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  LEAKED: WHQ Accounts: 2016-2020 Budget

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.

  leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.

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  Fay: We're getting some serious financial meeting leaks - people on the inside want this info leaked

  Yeah...just think about that for a minute

  Lastman: Watching these idiots with their choreographed, poorly acted BS, reading from scripts while at the same time trying to sound genuine is ridiculous.
  You can see the puppet strings. But when you watch the GB, they look equally puppet. The only question in my mind, “Who is the puppeteer?”

  Totally. Moving lips, lying lips
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  LEAKED: WHQ Treasuers Office meeting 2018

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  leaked: whq treasuers office meeting 2018 [part 1 of 6] https://youtu.be/z17b4_qgpto.

  in this leaked 6-part video meeting, mark sanderson leads an insightful look into how the treasurers office and accounts staff operate.

  cmc = cash management center - of which there are 3. the cost-saving game is afoot!these clips are unedited, so feel free to add comments..

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  SailAway: I can't even tolerate the cadence of their speech

  Me neither. And I can't stand watching their lips move.

  Fortuitous that all these financial leaks are happening bemoaning the impeding financial ruin of the org, isn't it? Right on the heels of the org not standing up to the plate in Australia. Oh, woe is the org - what a downfall, indeed. From being one of the top 10 corporations in NY a few years back to...oh me oh my, selling property and all and now this.

  Their lips are moving
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  LEAKED: WHQ Treasuers Office meeting 2018

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  leaked: whq treasuers office meeting 2018 [part 1 of 6] https://youtu.be/z17b4_qgpto.

  in this leaked 6-part video meeting, mark sanderson leads an insightful look into how the treasurers office and accounts staff operate.

  cmc = cash management center - of which there are 3. the cost-saving game is afoot!these clips are unedited, so feel free to add comments..

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  I tried. I really did. But I just can't handle stupid some days.

  I didn't make it past the tiger in India killing a person and Sanderson claiming that the tiger gets hunted and killed because of an obscure bibble principle about "accounting". Sheesh, Sanderson - the tiger gets killed so it doesn't go and kill anyone else, not because of the tiger being held accountable for taking a life.

  Today is not the day for watching stupid. Sorry....I can't make it past the tiger.
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  Religious Discrimination; now LEGAL

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  newsflash.

  there are businesses that are now discriminating in their hiring practices based on the fact that you are a jw.. sure, you think i'm mad.

  but it's true.. the business circles have become acutely aware of the -not even 1 year old- decision in the industrial court where a jw ratted out a fellow jw and brought disrepute to the bank where they both worked.

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  I think that the title of this thread is misleading and inaccurate.

  Religion is not being discriminated against - what is being targeted and stopped is people who break confidentiality laws, regardless of their religion (or because of their religion).

  Refusing to hire someone because their religion lacks a respect for confidentiality laws is not discrimination, it is respect for what is legal.
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  I may have found a clue to Watchtower's sudden reversal on organ transplants

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have read countless times in this site and others that there is speculation that someone high up in the watchtower world required an organ transplant, and then because of that, their position that they had held since 1967 changed in 1980.i believe i have found a clue to who that person might have been.

  i leave it to the exjw community to investigate further, but it's tantalizing!it is waay too much of a coincidence that:lee cordaway got a phone call in january 1980 that his kidneys were failing.

  lee was 18 years old at the time.watchtower printed its "organ transplants are allowed now" article in march 1980.. january 1981: lee goes into the organ donor list for new kidneys.august 1981: lee receives his new kidney.september 1981: lee's new kidney is rejected, he has to have it removed.

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  Thanks, TD. Good background info.

  I just hate, hate, this wording that the WT uses:

  "...and so we leave it up to the conscience of the individual ..."

  What that really means is that the ordinary JW, who is striving so hard to be a "true believer". and desperately wants the paradise promise instead of the horrible Armageddon curse, will follow "the divine law" to the letter.

  That is what my memories are like growing up in the dreaded bloody 60s - no blood of any kind, even if it was just a suspicion of a tiny drop. Mom was so careful making eggs - she would painstakingly remove any hint of blood from the raw eggs and would discard any that had obvious blood spots. Wieners and bologna was strictly forbidden - unless it was a specific Kosher brand (expensive, so we didn't buy them often) - because of the threat of blood that might have been included in the processing. I hated school picnics because all the other kids had a wiener roast. I had to take cheese sandwiches.

  Oh, I could go on and on about how that awful blood brochure that was put out in 1961 affected my life. In so so many ways.