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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  Thanks for posting that article, Moster.

  When this story broke, it circled the world on the assumption that the players involved were high on drugs. Which wasn't true at all - it just made for a good story and people ran with it.

  Now we "get the goods".

  It wasn't drugs. It was an alternative "medical" practice that induced a shared psychosis. Applied kinesiology - a pseudo scientific practice that requires a high degree of belief in order for the participants to engage in it. And...the participants also didn't eat while they were engaging in their "muscle testing". So....take a group of people who are highly suggestible (as most JWs are - they have the ability to put aside reason when it is convenient for their belief system), engage in applied kinesiology, reduce their food intake...and voila! - Armageddon is here!!!

  The sentencing is interesting:

  https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2018/12/20/naked-kidnappers-who-thought-the-rapture-had-come-will-be-sentenced-in-leduc.html
  

  While the kidnapping could have netted each of the accused up to 10 years behind bars, Schaffter accepted a joint submission of a one-year sentence to be served in the community — starting with six months of house arrest — followed by two years of parole, understanding that the family posed no real continued threat to their community.
  As part of their conditions, the family is barred from taking part in various forms of alternative medicine, including applied kinesiology.
  Applied kinesiology, otherwise known as muscle testing, is a pseudo-scientific alternative medicinal practice where practitioners diagnose and treat their clients based on testing muscles for strength and weakness.
  The family members will also have to attend counselling to teach them critical thinking and reasoning skills.
  While court psychologists believed it was this mental cocktail of pseudo-science mixed with their religious beliefs that created the delusion behind their crimes, Schaffter acknowledged that many questions around their “bizarre” actions will likely remain unanswered.

  The family members will also have to attend counselling to teach them critical thinking and reasoning skills.

  Huh. Six months of house arrest. Guess they will have to get their time in by doing online witnessing or something like that.
  
  
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  Connections between Christadelphians and Russell´s Biblestudents

  by oppostate in

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  the bible students and the christadelphians have a lot in common.. i searched on facebook... .

  and look what i found:https://www.facebook.com/christadelphianbiblestudents/.

  there´s even a group named like that..

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  Phizzy: " Why did Jesus not choose the Christadelphians as the Faithful and Discreet Slave at the time ???? "

  'Cause Joe submitted a better business plan. He bought printing presses and Jesus said "Blessed is he who can print 'the word' ."
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  Mo Money ... $$$

  by loneranger in

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  the money grab continues!!

  at a very recent circuit assembly (usa), the accounts overseer gave the typical accounts report for the ca in the early afternoon.

  there were 2100 people at the assembly.

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  truthlover: about 75 pubs and EVERY month there is no less than $1500.00 - %1700.00 going to that arrangement

  No wonder the org sticks it to the convention attendees if contributions at the congregation level are that low.

  Based on your figures, each pub is only giving 20 dollars a month - a measly figure, especially if you compute donations as 10 percent of income (normal tithing amount).

  Is the total amount of monthly donations higher than you state? Money going to a local maintenance fund or something? Utilities, etc?
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  Baby it’s cold outside...Is That Song Offensive To Ypu?

  by minimus in

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  to think that this classic song is “offensive “.... is absolutely ridiculous!.

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  I wish that all those people who wanted to ban this song would ban the Bible instead
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  The Muppets in Charge of the Org

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .

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  Normal: Our very own @wakemeupbeforeyoujoho made this

  I was wondering who made it. Kudos to wakemeup. Very well done
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  The Muppets in Charge of the Org

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .

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  Yup.

  Now we know for sure.

  It's a Muppet Organization. Lol!
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  The Muppets in Charge of the Org

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .

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  OrphanCrow

  I found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.

  *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this...

  
  
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  Canada Congregation / Kingdom Hall post - and link to a prophet

  by berrygerry in

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  posted on another forum:.

  c/o spoke about the israelites compliance when travelling in the wilderness.

  each time the pillar of fire/smoke moved, the israelites had to pack up and move.

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  He then mentions 20 congregations in Vancouver were dissolved and bro/sis being redistributed as boundaries change with new congregational set ups

  Huh. It's getting a little tough for survivors to track down documents and elders who have been shuffled around. Difficult to investigate congregations that don't even exist anymore.
  
  
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  Child sexual abuse suspect arrested in T.O.

  by Tahoe in

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  https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/12/13/child-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-t-o/2305199002/ .

  a 69-year-old thousand oaks man facing multiple sexual abuse charges by the ventura county district attorney’s office was arrested last week, authorities said.. steven skyler abbott was arrested dec. 6 after months of investigation into the reported sexual abuse of two thousand oaks girls, according to the ventura county sheriff’s office.

  in november, the ventura county district attorney’s office filed multiple felony sexual abuse charges against abbott, including two counts of continuous sexual abuse, one count of lewd acts upon a child and one count of forcible lewd acts upon a child.. he is also facing multiple felony enhancements and special allegations related to his charges.. the investigation began in september, when the sheriff’s agency received a report of suspected child crimes.. a 16-year-old victim alleged that she was sexually abused by abbott when she was between the ages of 5 and 11, sheriff’s officials said.. sexual assault unit detectives subsequently identified a second, 24-year-old victim who reported that abbott had abused her when she was between the ages of 3 and 7, authorities said.. the sheriff’s agency said the victims and their families had come into contact with abbott through the kingdom hall of jehovah’s witnesses in newbury park.. investigators submitted their findings to prosecutors, who filed felony sexual abuse charges against abbot on nov. 16, officials said.. on nov. 28, an arrest warrant was issued for abbott.. the suspect was eventually arrested at his home on dec. 6 and booked into ventura county jail.

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  HalfBanana: If JW meetings are targeted by paedophiles, a consequence would be that some of them, enjoying the welcome and numbers of victims present, will also be joining the org-- which seems to be the case.

  And let's not forget that in some cases, it is entirely the other way around. The JWs actively participate in Prison Visitation programs. From what I remember from reading another thread about prison visits, the consensus is that it is primarily pedophiles who are attracted to the JW Bibble studies inside prison. And, I have read about some of those pedophiles being "sponsored" of sorts by congregations under their release conditions. *wish I could find the thread about this...

  And never mind the convicted murderers and rapists that have "converted" to the one true religion.
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  When did the policy to report to the legal “desk” / “department” was introduced?

  by Paul Bonanno in

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  as you are all aware the elders are instructed that when they come across a case of “child sexual abuse” they have to call the “legal desk” / “legal department”.

  prior to 1993 this was the policy that as an elder we had.

  do you know when this policy was introduced or started and what was the history behind it?.

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  Paul: Do you know when this policy was introduced or started and what was the history behind it?

  Barbara Anderson reveals much about the history of the child sex abuse policy, including the dates of the elder letters etc and events that influenced the policy development:

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/life-discoveries-barbara-anderson/