"Don't you think it would surely be impossible for a person to become a Jehovah's Witness by reading the Bible alone? Can someone really come to believe Jehovah's Witness doctrine by reading the Bible only? For example, if you were to have only read the Bible, with no Watchtower study aids, do you think that you would have come to the conclusion that heaven closed its doors in 1935, or that Jesus is really the Archangel Micheal?"
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Is it possible to become a Jehovah's Witness by reading the Bible alone?
by agent2863 in"don't you think it would surely be impossible for a person to become a jehovah's witness by reading the bible alone?
can someone really come to believe jehovah's witness doctrine by reading the bible only?
for example, if you were to have only read the bible, with no watchtower study aids, do you think that you would have come to the conclusion that heaven closed its doors in 1935, or that jesus is really the archangel micheal?
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Identity of 'Spiritual Israel'
by Jr inin order to qualify as spiritual israel there has to be certain fundamental characteristics or basic truths.
these basic truths are revealed in the law covenant given by moses.
and can be traced down from the nation of israel, down through the 1st century congregation, and further down until our day and time.
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Yes, I see scriptural support to show JWs as the nation of “Israel”, “Modern day Israel”.from JR's original post. Hi JR. I find it really hard to believe that the WTBTS is a true organization from God, let alone "spiritual Israel" with it's roots (and much of the tree) grounded in false prophets & prophecies. Even though it's not in the list of criteria, 'telling the truth' is a big one.
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Isaiah 9:6 (Who is this child?)
by 1ofMany inis this verse not talking of jesus?.
if not please tell me.. if so, he's been given some pretty interesting names don't you think?.
does this not 'hint' that jesus is who evangelical christians believe he is?.
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Hello RR. Because Christ gave his life as a sacrifice, makes Him our Saviour. "Eternal Father" is a clear identity of His deity. I mean, how many "Eternal Fathers" can there be? I thought J.W.'s didn't believe Jesus was eternal.
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Isaiah 9:6 (Who is this child?)
by 1ofMany inis this verse not talking of jesus?.
if not please tell me.. if so, he's been given some pretty interesting names don't you think?.
does this not 'hint' that jesus is who evangelical christians believe he is?.
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Sure, you can 'call' a man a god, but my point was, it does not mean that he is one. I don't believe the scriptures that were quoted by bjc2012 are in evidence that men are gods or can 'rightly' be called so. You can call a Ford a Chevy, sure, but it does not make it one. When God did refer to men as gods, it was in a dramatic, sarcastic way to point out their foolishness & arrogance in their misdeeds. The hebrew word for 'gods' used in Ps. 82 means judge or rulers, which the context of the passage gives evidence to. God is rebuking Israels rulers for unrighteous judgements.
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Isaiah 9:6 (Who is this child?)
by 1ofMany inis this verse not talking of jesus?.
if not please tell me.. if so, he's been given some pretty interesting names don't you think?.
does this not 'hint' that jesus is who evangelical christians believe he is?.
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agent2863
A man can never be called God. That is not what God was saying in Exodus 4:16. The context in Ex. 4 reveals that Moses did not want to speak, so the Lord chose Aaron to speak the words which Moses give him, which in turn Moses had received from God. Aaron would not be receiving the words directly from God, but through Moses. The Lord was simply using a metaphor, "as if you were God to him." No where is it stated that Aaron was to 'call' Moses God. The "gods" spoken of in Psalms 82 is a reference to the judges among the people of Israel.(Deut. 1:16,17) God is not really saing they are gods. Whenever 'gods' is used in the entire Bible, it's never a good thing. In John 10:31-36, Jesus is using this reference to catch the Jews. He's playing with them a little to make a point. That is all really beside the point. The main meaning of this passage is that the Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming. Because of Jesus' claim in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one.", they were ready to stone Him. Why? Vs.33, "Because you being a man, make yourself God!" That is why they were so upset. Pauls reference to "many gods & many lords" speaks of the idol infested culture he lived in. There is but one God. Isaiah 44:6, 'This what the Lord says, Israel's King & Redeemer, the Lord Almighty, "I am the first & I am the last. Apart from Me there is no God."
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Isaiah 9:6 (Who is this child?)
by 1ofMany inis this verse not talking of jesus?.
if not please tell me.. if so, he's been given some pretty interesting names don't you think?.
does this not 'hint' that jesus is who evangelical christians believe he is?.
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You are correct 1ofMany. Many try to make excuses for these awsome names that are given here to the Christ child, but none hold any water. The scriptures are clear. If Jesus were just simply a man or an angel, as the W.T. claims, He would not be given these titles. Let the word of God be your authority.
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im the 1st u can be the 2nd
by rollercoaster ini cant belive there isnt any post here well i hate to be the 1st but i am so post here pleasa i dont wanna be the only and r any of you second thinkine the jw thing?.
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Hi D.C.-girl :), I was curious about your question about "2nd thoughts". What kinda things are giving you trouble?
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i have a question
by willy_think inmy farther is a jw, my mother is rc i am neither.
i have done a study of world beliefs from, atheist to zoraster.
this includes many wtbts writings, old & new.
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JanH, check out TR's previous post & you'll see what i mean. Your right, it doesn't make sense. A person who doesn't believe in God, but when the subject comes up, they're ready to lay all the worlds trouble at his doorstep.
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i have a question
by willy_think inmy farther is a jw, my mother is rc i am neither.
i have done a study of world beliefs from, atheist to zoraster.
this includes many wtbts writings, old & new.
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Usually when people who don't believe in God, want to talk about God, they always want to look at the bad in the world and blame God for it. They never want to talk about the thousands upon thousands of people whose lives have been changed by the presence of Christ in their hearts. People saved from lives of drug use, crime, prostitutes, etc. or just ordinary people like me. Fantasies? I don't think so. The bible is old, sure, but even the Smitsonian Institute recognizes it as completely reliable & authentic in matters such as archeology, science, cultures,etc.. There are certain things that can't be authenticated by an institute. That's where faith comes in. But the fact that the bible is so reliable in these areas, gives creedence to the issues that can't be verified by science & archeology.
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i have a question
by willy_think inmy farther is a jw, my mother is rc i am neither.
i have done a study of world beliefs from, atheist to zoraster.
this includes many wtbts writings, old & new.
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Hi Norm, God doesn't have to search for you, Norm. He knows right where you are. He knew about you before the world began. But it's we who set up our priorties in our lives and for most people that doesn't include 'wasting time' at church and all that religious stuff. I know it wasn't a priority for a lot of my life. Yeh, we read alot about God's times of judgement in the bible, but to be fair, it is mostly about His love for us. I know you said you read the bible many times. Then how did you miss the message of the entire New Tesament. God sending His own Son to die in your(my) place for our sins. Jesus said "No greater love is there that a man lay down his life for his friends". No greater love, indeed. I know you really don't buy all this right now, but the truth is, wether we believe it or not doesn't change the reality of it. Do really want to wait until your dead to find out the truth. I pray you won't. God does love you.