Posts by Alive!

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

Alive!

I have briefly read at this website.

So, sticking with the wicked, confusing lies of false prophets makes one obedient to Jehovah?

Does Jehovah wish for me to preach lies to people? To make a fool of God?

This is meant to be a time like no other - not comparable to former times.

I'm sick to the heart of having spread false prophecy, unscriptural doctrine and spending energy enticing people to NOT follow our Father, but men.

The so called GB have been proven false since inception - from their pyramids and other craziness to today. Should I or you let these men guide me? Or worse still take out and publish their lies to others?

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

Alive!

I've noted active, devoted JW's state the above.

And, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of God, I just don't trust religions or men.

Recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active JW, in the family of God's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the GB) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.

Stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".

The Pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.

It's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.

It's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a Christian believer of God's JW household, and somehow believe the God of love would use corrupt liars to parade as Jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days. Really? And, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.

Some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break.

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My sons first talk

by lukejmedic in

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quick backstory:raised a jw, ms, reg pioneer, international need greater work.

i have been da for 2 years, divorced, ex and my son live 6 hours away near walkill ny.. my sons first talk is coming up, in august.

he is 7 years old.

Alive!

I'm breaking into pieces having trusted so much - your son will hit that wall one day.

Sorry for this misery you and yours go through.

As a mother, ( oh wait - I had no children because the WBTS suggested that having family was pointless) - anyway - these GB men are horrid - they are not from God. Like Satan, they are clever, very clever. You know the scriptures, your boy is in prison, even though it 'looks good'.

If he is old enough to give a scriptural talk he is old enough to be questioned. Question him with heart. I don't mean interrogate - but, allow him freedom of thought, support and question as a mere human who desires clean truth.

Use this situation to help him.

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(Not)Preaching advice

by paradisebeauty in

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having recently had an "awakening" - not from reading awake .... i realize i can not preach doctrines i do not believe anymore .

but i do not want the elders to start following my every move, because i also have plans to check other christian denominations.. so i am thinking, should i chat for an hour or two with an old visit and report the hours, should i tell the elders i have some doubts and i do not want to preach for now or should i just stop reporting and avoid the elders attempts to talk to me?

what do you think is the best sollution to get away with this?

Alive!

Do what your true, pure conscience tells you at the time.

Me, I actually only ever reported "honest hours" throughout my life with the organisation.

When I knew it was rubbish, I stopped.

Feel better for it.

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Today's Text: Nothing is permanent--especially not real estate, know what I mean?

by sd-7 in

"do not be loving the world or the things in the world.

"--1 john 2:15. wt comments: "satan's system seems to be permanent and real.

nevertheless, one day it will come to an end.

Alive!

I'm fucked.

I followed a lie.

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Old Memories Revisited - or - How to Stop Worrying and Love WT Indoctrination

by undercover in

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i remember when i was a kid, how the importance of meeting attendance was continually drummed into our heads.

through the magazines, meetings, and especially traveling overseers, it was stressed that missing just one meeting was akin to allowing satan into our lives and would jeopardize our everlasting life in paradise earth.. one particular bit of 'advice' stood out, even to a small child: even if out of town relatives showed up on meeting day, you shouldn't let that cause you to miss a meeting.

i remember trying to play that out in mind... 'welcome, grandpa!

Alive!

Done4good - absolutely spot on.

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Is There a Liar in London Bethel????

by The Searcher in

it's come to my attention - via someone who attended mark sanderson's televised talk to the u.k - that an elder's wife was upset at a blatant lie by a bethelite speaker, prior to mr. sanderson making an appearance.. it seems that the "supporting act" from mill hill - mr. paul gillies - informed the nationwide audience that the britain branch was waiting for planning permission for the new branch, and would provide updates when news came in.. it turns out that mr. gillies was lying, in order to let the governing body member get the prolonged applause later, for announcing that the permission had been given the day before!.

naughty mr.

gillies!!

Alive!

Telling lies, twisting truth - seen it, heard it - it's all part of the JW culture.

It's pervasive.

Some days, hours - I could die.

Just had a text from a sister overseas who is visiting a friend dying from cancer, she said how the love and support is keeping our mutual friend in wonderful spirits.

Every day I fight a cancer of my heart - alone, bereft of familiar human comfort.

And she knows it.

We lose our lives for searching the truth. Wait, more accurately we lose our lives for rejecting lies.

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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?

by LHS123 in

i am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.

i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.

one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .

Alive!

Hi

Its painful and unnerving to stand back and objectively read WT statements (like this one) and realise that they are NOT frank, honest or without deceit.

The more I carefully listened and analysed, the more I began to hear a tone, an attitude, a persistent voice coming through.

A dishonest voice. I didn't like it.

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is this still a belief? no 'marraige' after being resurected?

by sowhatnow in

i was having a discussion with my sister yesterday, and she said to me,'mom told me that if dad dies at armageddon, she cant get remarried in the new system' .

i told he i have never heard such a thing, but i do recall that it was believed that anyone who dies now, cannot be married in the 'new world' because they are to be as angels in heaven.. she said , so why be resurrected if yiu cant live your dream of having a loving mate and perfect children?

god is still dictating to you how you will live.

Alive!

The teaching regarding no marriage in the resurrection "but they will be like the angels".

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Right, so the average conscience stricken JW devotee is extremely afflicted by any words coming from "the platform" or the publications.

I can think of many brothers and sisters who desperately wanted Armageddon to come before their beloved died...part of their hope and joy was wrapped up in the hope of life forever with their beloved. Death brought conflicted loss on more than one level.

Then this recent update - "we cannot say".

Well, the WBTS shouldn't have said at ANYTIME - but they did.

I think of the emotional acrobatics witnesses have to manage in order to think their way through all this, the aching grief and then the aching hope.

Instead of making their own stumbling journey to work out this and that, proceeding at their own pace, the JWs are thrown here and there over issues that can really torment them.

It's wrong.

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Many christian faiths have an EARTHLY resurrection belief.....

by EndofMysteries in

i was surprised to learn many other mainstream christian religions believe in a physical earthly resurrection.

even catholics.

it seems the belief is that as of now one goes to heaven to wait, then in the future will have an earthly resurrection.

Alive!

Before I studied the bible with witnesses over 20 years ago - I had zero knowledge of the bible.

My understanding was that mainstream churches taught heaven and hell - and my understanding of the trinity was the version explained by the WBTS. Three headed God etc. You know how it all goes.

Last year I went to a local Baptist church and listened to the pastor talk about a glorified earthly resurrection onto a glorified earth...

WHAT? He asked the congregation to "bear with him" as he recognised that there were some listeners who would have imagined an eternity in heaven.

He joked - "I'm expecting a full inbox of emails after this".

Researching, I have found that a hope for universal reconciliation and glorified physical life has been understood throughout the centuries.

When I studied with the witnesses, pre-Internet, I thought they were the only ones who had pulled up this understanding from the scriptures. NO!

Absolutely NO.