Posts by Alive!

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Now I am out, some reflections

by menrov in

ok, i have been out (officially inactive) for over 5 years now.

and from being frustrated during my awakening, to becoming a true bible student by analysing all doctrines and viewpoints, to being really happy to be out and at the same time, have developed a sense of disgust for the wt.

my wife is still very much a pimi.

Alive!

My observation as a convert was that the average witness is ‘in’ because of the things Menrov spoke about.

One thing that got to me....was our poor witnessing model...using those magazines, pushing articles about stuff, hiding watchtowers about bizarre scriptural interpretations of ‘classes’ of this and that, prophetic dramas involving the WTBTS.

We hid those ‘crazy’ study articles in the inside covers of bland Awakes, because if we were honest with ourselves, we were embarrassed.

And....here we were, believing these poor people, our target, the population of mankind were in line for an angry and terrifying annihilation from a wrathful God....unless they accepted our ‘knock’ on their spiritual door.

Yet, in such apparent urgent times, we distributed too many half truths and full lies.

And.... did the average JW REALLY behave like a person who was aware that the world of humans was in line for extinction unless the JW ‘message’ was accepted?

Did we go back to our homes, tearful, sad and in prayerful minds given the monumental nature of our work?

Nope....after service, we’d lunch, share coffees...and have a good laugh.

It was NOT the true, undefiled gospel.

The good news for all mankind, was not good news for all mankind.

Even if you think it’s all a load of rubbish, the true ‘Good News’ looks very different to the not so ‘Good News’ of the exclusive world of JWs.

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JW Investment Tip

by neat blue dog in

when your fridge is getting empty, what should you do?

a recent wt shows the ideal next step.

(in picture form, so all ages/education levels can understand.).

Alive!

I’d say the global Bethels and Wallkill fridges and freezers are full to the brim and always nicely stocked.

The writing department.....congratulations, this illustration and article was another nail in the coffin for me, a former dedicated believer and fund contributor to the materially comfortable lives of the bethel-dwellers.

To put this kind of guilt on the impoverished elderly is beyond reproach.

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

Alive!

Sharing is why we kept the notes, like a diary of juicy gossip as we drove from “return visit” to “regular call”.

My memories were of long conversations about ‘calls’ and their personal lives - and to be honest, we DID care about them....but looking back, it was not really healthy given the unstable nature of some JW.

So many JWs leave, come and go - and the ‘calls’ are passed on, with personal information aplenty recorded in notes etc.

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

Alive!

Carla - that personal record sounds typical of some ´note-takers’

I honestly think a fair minded Christian should see that this is just not acceptable....but in my experience, this kind of detail would be admired amongst the publishers.

As in... Sister so and so takes fantastic notes.

Anyway - it’s not acceptable, whatever way you look at it.

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

Alive!

Doubter....that last post re Paul making notes....please dear, just stop.

you are not helping your ‘cause’ - clearly bible accounts are different to personal note taking of HH whereabouts, times, and mobile numbers and addresses.

Niow, dear - please just stop.

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

Alive!

And a change of practices should be welcomed. What’s the problem in changing?

Did Paul keep records in householders?

if he did....it would have been useful to have it made clear!

But, it appears that God was always ahead of him and other Christian teachers from a bible account point of view. No note taking required it seems to bolster the preaching work....or did I miss something?

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

Alive!

« That’s not a strong argument. »
Perhaps I was not making an argument but stating a reality.
I’m not talking about the odds of lost notebooks happening....I was stating my memory and experience of seeing other JWs take personal notes of unaware householders and discuss them. Probably better that stops don’t you think?
And it should stop because they are Christians - let the world do what the world does via internet, census or whatever....may I suggest a christian would be happy to have the risk to neighbour pointed out and stop their ‘recording’ of very personal details such as availability, marital status and all other sorts of stuff....

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

Alive!

The point is that personal records/notes are kept, very personal information are sometimes kept in notebooks, regarding a persons life, circumstances, hours of work etc. Say a particularly detail orientated JW left their HH/study book on a bus, dropped on pavement etc?

I know in the past, very detailed and exposing notes were often kept.....

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What would you do or say?

by Butyoucanneverleave in

a brother who is not baptized ( so there's still hope for him ) had a sister recently run into him at a store.

show wanted to know if he's going to the kingdom hall.

she asked him to write a letter for her to give to his mother ( who's deceased) in the paradise explaining why he didn't make it.

Alive!

Hateful thinking and I can imagine a certain type of JW saying this..... and being proud of themselves.

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Why does it affect us so deeply?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i was having a great chat with a valued friend and fellow forum member today on the phone.. we were discussing how deeply we all get affected by jw interactions - even years after fading or disassociating.. you know what i mean.

those days when we run into jws who we considered to be our close friends.

or "loving shepherds" who don't act kindly.

Alive!

OneEyedJoe6 hours agoA big part of cult indoctrination is that they force you to integrate the cult into your very identity. That's the point of the constant talk about "make the truth your own" "put on the new personality" "spiritual heritage" etc. Once you're out you will likely become a very different person.
The other effect this constant indoctrination has is that it makes all JWs into very nearly the same person. Certainly when they're in cult mode (i.e. out preaching or when their defenses are up because they've come across a DFed/faded/inactive person - so this covers 90% of the interactions anyone on this forum is going to have with JWs) the variations between them are negligible. This means, too, that when we see a JW in full cult personality, we're essentially looking at our past selves. I think this is the main reason why interactions with JWs affect me so much, I see all the flawed reasoning that I was doing myself that kept me trapped so long and I find myself becoming angry at my former cult self.

A great summary.

As a convert, I wanted to ‘put on the new personality’ of Christ.

That personality was very, very attractive and heartwarming to me.

The Watchtower muddies this ongoing transformation with the cardboard cut out figure of the ideal ‘publisher’.

I remember feeling quite disorientated in the first year of indoctrination.

When I have occasional interactions with ‘in’ JWs, the rigid thinking and ‘JW’ verbal phrasing is a stand out.

And yes, it unnerves me a little.

Such apparent sweetness, yet such strangeness - I don’t feel comfortable with witnesses anymore, how can you when you know they walk in ‘mind’ lockstep even when something is very wrong, and fairly pointed out to them.

It can hurt - and it does affect me.