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How do you keep your hopes up while in this doomed existence?

by sabastious in

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coming from aguest's thread where she showed us the article that describes a "brain drain" that has been occuring for centuries do to "mutations" i can't help but be a little fed up with how much negativity comes from the land of science.

sure, facts are facts and they do not set out to sound good or bad, but instead of identifying the problems of doom, like our brains are devolving, why not focus on the solutions to those problems?

where are the hopes and dreams that our culture so desperately holds onto which actually provides the drive to progress towards them.

AGuest

it's how this world treats each other that gets me down.

I am sure it's gets most people down, dear one (again, peace to you!). They wouldn't be very "human" if it didn't. People CARE; they just don't always manifest that care tangibly.

If the simple words of Jesus were just applied things would be completely different.

They would. Regardless of who applied them... or who they BELIEVE said them.

When you really take a look at the world scene right now it's depressing as all hell.

I don't see it that way, dear one. To the contrary, I see the world with eyes of HOPE... because of the HOPE given ME. I realize that it's easy to just write the world off... but I can't do that. Why? Because God... so loved... the WORLD... that He gave His only-begotten Son. If the Most Holy One of Israel loves the world (well, the people), then I must try to, as well. Sure, I get tired, even discouraged, but each day is a new day. Each day I can start anew with the hope that another will "get" it and wake up. Indeed, in contrast to how the WTBTS and others view "the Lord's Prayer," I actually shiver when I think of God's kingdom coming. I DON'T "crave" the day of JAH... but hope it holds off until EVERYONE wakes up and gets it. I also know, though, that that won't happen. Still... I have hope.

I wish the world could just wake up.

Maybe they will, dear one. And maybe they won't. But if we write it all off NOW... they certainly won't. As perhaps might not some who truly would have, given a few more days. Me? I hope everything just slows down a tad. I'm in no rush. My life isn't perfect by ANY stretch... but it isn't so bad that I want it/things to end, perhaps to the detriment/cutting off of others'. Like JAH, I don't want ANY to die... and so MY prayer is, yes, for that kingdom to come... but maybe not just now, maybe a little while longer so that even more than wake up and come in. Maybe. HOPEFULLY.

In the meantime... the beat goes on. And it's not always a bad beat. Everyday a mother (and father) rejoices somewhere because a new life has come into theirs. Everyday someone rejoices because they "get" it. Everyday... someone is joined to Christ. True, things must... will... change, in JAH's due time. But in the meantime... well, for me, there is nothing greater than "seeking" the kingdom. And isn't borne out in knocking on doors, handing out magazines, attending boring meetings where people lie to me... or considering "goats" those who don't listen to me.

For me, it's borne out in learning to love MORE, be MORE peaceable, have MORE faith, be MORE joyous and joyFUL, being mildER, goodER, kindER, MORE patient/long-suffering toward others... and MORE self-control when it comes to myself... even when these seem way out of my reach, perhaps even impossible. They are goals that I KNOW I will never perfect... but for me, it's kind of fun trying. Sure, I get down when I fail... but I SOAR when I am able to accomplish just a small particle of any of these. Because I have to ask for help with each of them... and that causes me to have to talk with, listen to... and rely on... my Lord even more. It doesn't discourage me; it raises my hopes.

Dear one, I don't know what all you're dealing with, truly. But perhaps asking for just a tad bit of the fruit of God's holy spirit that is JOY might help. I realize that that might not take the place of perhaps some other kind of assistance you might need and that might help (and only you can speak to that), but I can honestly say it works for ME. No harm in asking.

Also, keep in mind how YOUR "countenance" can/will be observed by, affect, and possibly manifest itself in those YOU love. Including the still impressionable. To have the prospect of doom and gloom as one's future hope... I don't get that that worked well for YOU. Do you think it's going to work better for the next generation?

Again, peace to you... truly... and to your household. Truly!

YOUR servant (always) and a slave of Christ,

SA

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How do you keep your hopes up while in this doomed existence?

by sabastious in

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coming from aguest's thread where she showed us the article that describes a "brain drain" that has been occuring for centuries do to "mutations" i can't help but be a little fed up with how much negativity comes from the land of science.

sure, facts are facts and they do not set out to sound good or bad, but instead of identifying the problems of doom, like our brains are devolving, why not focus on the solutions to those problems?

where are the hopes and dreams that our culture so desperately holds onto which actually provides the drive to progress towards them.

AGuest

Ahhh, dear Sab (peace to you, dear one!), since I may have contributed to your... doldrums?... please let me say that I don't see the future as "doom and gloom" at all, whether from a scientific POV or a spiritual one. I truly believe it WILL be all right "in the end." In the meantime, we can't live our lives in anticipation of "gloom" (although I realize that for some parts of the world, there is little choice)... but if folks in the most devastated parts of the world can wake up each day with renewed hope... how can we NOT?

I regret my posting of that thread, now, for a few reasons, including this: I did not intend to cause you or anyone any sadness, but only to perhaps wake some up to what IS occurring, if not genetically, then perhaps by some other means (educationally?)... at least as far as for those who DON'T want to live in hope... or intellectual progression... but just in wait for some impending "armageddon."

Also, I think perhaps we both have to remember that "bad news sells." Usually faster than good news. And that was probably behind the article's purpose... to titilate. Sad, both, but more true than not.

So, "straighten up the hands that hang down... and the enfeebled knees... so that what is lame may not be put out of joint... but healed."

Life is hard enough, dear one, without us looking at it as a "half-empty" rather than "half full" glass. And if you're having difficulty changing that view, may I suggest you spend a few days in an environment where folks' situation is even worse than yours (and yes, such exists). Because it ALWAYS helps when one can say, "Yeah, things for me are bad... but not THAT bad."

One's perspective plays a HUGE role in one's happiness, dear one!

Again, peace to you... and may JAH bless!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

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Human Devolution? Interesting Article...

by AGuest in

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are humans really getting dumber (may you all have peace)?

there have many positions on this for both sides.

saw an announcement on the news this morning and was intrigued: could it be true?

AGuest

The professors, rather than saying 'this is the way it is, and much smarter people than you came to these conclusions' instead put forth the message that ALL theories were open to challenge by anyone.

Which is how I perceived you as approaching this thread, dear NC (peace to you... and thank you for that!). And so I understood/understand YOUR good intent and thus, lack of malice (hence, I acknowledged the respect you showed when making the statements, as well as didn't pointedly name you when I commented on them). I don't believe everyone came with that... mmmmm... same frame of mind, though (although a few did) and my point was toward those who seemed to exhibit a different... mmmmm... "attitude"... and why (from my perspective, based on "history").

I think we're all good, now, though, and so no more worries on my end. My further comments on this were only to perhaps assist with the clarification YOU seem to be trying to do so that should a similar "discussion" perhaps take place in the future, some who wish to participate might understand others' [frame of mind] in doing so. Which I perceive is what you're trying to facilitate, as well.

Again, peace to you!

A slave of Christ,

SA

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"He who loves me will OBEY my commandments...

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, that is on jw.com, and all those who 'got with' them:.

may you have peace!.

because israel has, at this 'season' fallen asleep with regard to many 'things' that our lord, the son of god, jah-eshua mischa-jah ("jah saves"; messiah - "chosen of jah"), 'commanded' us to teach others (matthew 28:20), i am compelled by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies (psalm 68:4), that is in me, by means of my lord, to remind israel of one of such commandments.. on the night that he was put to death in the flesh, our lord gave a commandment, to which he stated "keep doing this in remembrance of me.

AGuest

Dear Data and Arboles, I have sent PMs to you, both!

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

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"He who loves me will OBEY my commandments...

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, that is on jw.com, and all those who 'got with' them:.

may you have peace!.

because israel has, at this 'season' fallen asleep with regard to many 'things' that our lord, the son of god, jah-eshua mischa-jah ("jah saves"; messiah - "chosen of jah"), 'commanded' us to teach others (matthew 28:20), i am compelled by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies (psalm 68:4), that is in me, by means of my lord, to remind israel of one of such commandments.. on the night that he was put to death in the flesh, our lord gave a commandment, to which he stated "keep doing this in remembrance of me.

AGuest

AGuest - Thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings and your concern. I look back on these events with a wry amusement. They no longer influence my approach to spiritual matters. I broke free from my mooring a long time ago.

You know that I totally understand, dear Glad... and, as always, wish you love... and peace. Truly.

I guess if you want to partake at the KH you can. I have to decide for myself.

Absolutely, dear Data (again, peace to you!). No one can tell another how to handle this... as we don't belong to one another, but to Christ, and it is up to HIM. All we can do is share what we do... and why, so that others can understand if they wish to.

I consider it a false religious celebration as JW's celebrate it.

You are not alone. Some consider it "eating from the table of demons." I don't... because I discern it as the flesh and blood of Christ, who could never be a demon (as most consider that connotation). Thus, I can do it among them, as well as among others who might do so. So long as *I* know what *I* am doing... and WHY... and that the bread and wine truly REPRESENT... then MY conscience is clear.

Maybe I am being too judgemental?

I don't think so. I think you are going with what your conscience allows... and not doing what it doesn't. Now, can your conscience change? Absolutely. However, until it does, you most probably should NOT go against it. Christ cleanses our consciences, dear one, so if HE wishes yours to change on the matter, he will see to it. If you are curious as to whether it SHOULD... then I would say just simply ASK him. And then listen to and put faith in his response to YOU on the matter. So long as what you hear resides in LOVE... then there is no law against it!

I just don't want to act like I approve of it.

Absolutely understood. Of it... or them. I approve of neither (well, their teachings and compulsions, their mysteries surrounding the anointing, who should and should not, the fake pomp... and certainly not who they claim to be and represent, or any of their teachings about that). BUT... there are still sheep in that city; our Lord has not called them all out, yet. And so I kind of feel like the formerly chained man in Plato's "Allegory of a Cave": once a person has been set free... do they continue on up to the light... or do they go back and try to enlightened their former fellow captives? Especially if there's no danger to the one now free... and only the illusion of danger to the ones still captive, based on their fear of the unknown... why NOT?

Maybe I will get this all worked out by next year.

No doubt you will. And if not, perhaps the year after. Again, YOU have to be "okay" with where YOU are and what YOU do.

My wife flipped out when I told her. I wish I never would have said anything to anyone. That way I could just partake privately and be left alone..

Ahhhh... yes. Difficult that. May I suggest you share with her John 6:48-58, and then ask her how, in light of Christ's words in verses 51-53, SHE intends to live forever? Ask her how she believes the teachings of the WTBTS are going to save her, give her life "within herself"... when Christ said that UNLESS ones eats is flesh and drinks his blood, they have NO life... within themselves? Because HE is the life... and there is NO other way to come BEFORE the Father, not EVEN through some self-appointed "faithful and discreet slave"? (John 14:6) And those who try to get in WITHOUT going through HIM... are "thieves and plunderers" and breaking in where they have NO right to be? (John 10:1-9)

I hope this helps, dear one, and again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

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"He who loves me will OBEY my commandments...

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, that is on jw.com, and all those who 'got with' them:.

may you have peace!.

because israel has, at this 'season' fallen asleep with regard to many 'things' that our lord, the son of god, jah-eshua mischa-jah ("jah saves"; messiah - "chosen of jah"), 'commanded' us to teach others (matthew 28:20), i am compelled by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies (psalm 68:4), that is in me, by means of my lord, to remind israel of one of such commandments.. on the night that he was put to death in the flesh, our lord gave a commandment, to which he stated "keep doing this in remembrance of me.

AGuest

Thank Dear Brother Aguest, I do enjoy your gifted writing and may Jehovah's love through his Son bring you peace and harmony

Greetings, dear Arab-Tree! Thank YOU... and the greatest of love and peace to you!

I may be wrong but I perceive that perhaps English is not your first language and so we perhaps are from different areas in the world, and so different cultures? As such, I am a bit concerned that what I am about to share with you might cause you some concern. I hope not, because I can only speak the truth with you; so, if it does cause you concern, I apologize in advance and ask that you not let it do so overly much, if possible.

First, I am a sister, dear one, and not a brother. I realize that many men of religion, and particularly those of the WTBTS, have a problem with such things. Because of their adherence to and following Paul, they sometimes find hearing truth from a woman difficult. Our Lord didn't have that problem, though - indeed, he spoke and dealt with women when even his disciples still had issues. Of course, they didn't say anything to HIM about that... because they knew they shouldn't - HE didn't have a problem and so, as his followers, why should they? They pretty much had to suck it up. (John 4:27)

Such ones also overlook the fact that (1) Paul, a Roman, based some of his position as to women on Roman law, as that pertained to the desires of the Jews (who overly oppressed women)... not only eventually changed his position, but also recommended women as ministerial servants (Romans 16:1). He even acknowledged that women are including among the "sons" of God (Galatians 3:26-29). Indeed, prior to their exile to Babylon and centuries of life among the Chaldeans, Israel highly regarded women. Some were even appointed as judges (Miriam; Deborah), some to save Israel from its enemies (Jael; Esther), and many spoken openly and honestly with their husbands. The nations among whom they were dispersed, however, considered women in a different light... and since they were pretty misogynic themselves the Jews had little problem adopting the thinking as a culture and "law."

They also overlook the prophesy of Jah'El (Joel), reiterated by Peter that JAH would, at some point, pour out His spirit upon men AND women... and there would be manifestations of that from BOTH.

Second, I realize that you are... mmmmmm... excited to hear about these things: I was, too! That excitement, however, can sometimes lead to a bit of impatience (our Lord KNOWS I struggle with this!). But I'd like to address your question, that:

Can we stick to your beautiful thread and avoid snippets from individuals whose historical perspective of past times is tweaked? There are plenty of threads they can have a "meet and greet on Topic!",

Dear one, the way it works on this site is that comments from all are welcomed, so long as they conform to forum rules. I understand how thoughts that stray can be distracting (and I myself am guilty of posting some!), but sometimes those "historical perspectives" are actually ON topic. I believe that here, it was (if you're referring to dear Glad's comment - peace to you, dear Glad!): that account gives us some insight into why one might NOT partake - a kind of "trauma" related to the event itself, when a small child. If we are patient with others as they try to express themselves, we may find that we are actually speaking about the same thing(s), just perhaps in a different manner.

don't allow your thread to be derailed off track, it's a wonderful topic and your insights are refreshing as you qoute Scriptures that are the "Waters of Life!"

Ah, dear "Tree"... first, I am not in control of that as much as you might think. None of us are, here. Like verbal conversations, threads often meander into other areas... and then back. Sometimes not back but on to something else. And that’s okay. Sometimes they are purposefully derailed by opposers. But that shouldn’t cause us too much concern – that is their “job”... and so we must leave them to it. We, though, simply have to stay focused, as you suggest.

Doing that here, staying focused, requires practice, though, as well as commitment and conviction. It is up to one to learn how to “navigate” what’s posted here... and decide for themselves what is of value... or might be... and what might not be/isn’t. For THEM... and not for others. Unfortunately, some do try to decide for others, but often that merely a symptom of the baggage they carried off from the WTBTS... or perhaps a personal need to “control”. But that is their own issue to realize and deal with, not others’.

"Do not get involved in foolish discussions about spiritual pedigrees or in quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws. These things are useless and a waste of time. (Titus 3:9)

When such ARE “foolish,” yes, they are a waste of time! Certainly, concerning ourselves about spiritual pedigrees is such a waste. Because it doesn’t matter whether one hails from Judah... or Benjamin... or Manasseh... or Issachar... or from the nations: there is neither Jew nor Greek with God; all are equal before Him. Quarrels or fights about obedience to Jewish laws is moot and so folly... except perhaps to and for those still UNDER such laws. Christ died, however, to set those who belong to HIM free from such laws... so that they could undertake a NEW law. He didn't do away with them, though - he first filled the CONTRACT under which they existed, mediated by Moses and ratified by the blood of bulls and rams. He did that FOR us (because we couldn't/can't!) ... and then took the "spirit" of it with him to the grave after he was nailed to the pole. The fulfilled contract was nailed to the pole WITH him... and it's "end"... death... was "conquered" BY him... when he rose FROM death. That “contract,” then... IS GONE... for those who are now under the “new” contract which HE mediated... and ratified with HIS blood (NOT the blood of bulls and rams)... and the law OF that new contract: love. LOVE... is BOTH law's fulfllment, the old AND the new. I digress.

There are some “discussions,” however, that, while perhaps appearing “foolish” to some, are not necessarily so to others. For example, I can assure you that THIS particular discussion, between you and I... and the very basis for it, the opening post and its message... is “foolish” to some, perhaps even many, here. But it isn’t to us and so we have it. In the same vein, just as one man’s “trash” is another man’s “treasure”, so too, one man’s “foolish” words may be viewed as “balm” by another. So, while there are times when it may APPEAR that someone is engaging in “foolish” discussions that may not be the case. For me, I have to listen to Christ as to when that is and when it isn’t. Sometimes he remained silent when challenged... and sometimes he replied, and vehemently so. Depending on how our heavenly Father’s spirit moved HIM.

And so I hope you can find it in your heart to be patient with ALL of us folks here, and particularly those of Christ's Body (or those who might perhaps be, but don't yet recognize/know/profess that): while we are to be no part of the world, we are still IN the world. And sometimes, the saying, “When in Rome...” is the wise course. Sometimes... not.

Peace to you dear friend!

Peace to you, again, as well! I hope my words are helpful to you and again, don’t cause you too much concern. Of course, there is always our dear Lord himself that you can go to for these same truths and so, if my not being a brother IS of concern to you, please... go to him directly. He is MY Source... and so the better course for you in the first place. You and everyone.

YOUR servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

SA

233

Human Devolution? Interesting Article...

by AGuest in

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friends

are humans really getting dumber (may you all have peace)?

there have many positions on this for both sides.

saw an announcement on the news this morning and was intrigued: could it be true?

AGuest

Perhaps the problem, dear X (peace to you!), is that there was no intent to "argue", but to discuss, and in such light some are not very... mmmm... expert, even knowledgeable... in the "art" of "arguing." Since is a social discussion forum... and not an academic setting such knowledge is prerequisite... and adherence to the "rules" of debate/argument is required... perhaps "you" might condescend to grant some leeway, perhaps even a bit of accommodation, even explanation/clarification as, say, dear NC (peace to you!) did.

Now, I realize that some here are of the mind, "Well, if you want to argue regarding scientific matters then you need to obey the rules of arguing in that respect," but again, I offer that there was no intent TO argue (but only to get other thoughts/opinions on the matter)... and there are no forum rules that dictate there must be.

I offer that in sincerity and peace and ask you to consider it. Otherwise, "you" are most probably gonna get what you got (from me, at least), and perhaps not get any more (at least, from me) afterward.

In closing, I want to share a thought with all: some comments were made, and quite respectfully I think, so I take no negative issue with it but do wish to address them, that " if you wanna play with us on a topic like this...” and “... by including you (meaning me, SA) in this discussion...”

I have often stated that I don’t think like a lot of others folks (most, but what can you do) and so I found those curious in light of the situation being that (1) I started the thread... and so it seems to me that I am the one “including” others in the discussion, not the other way around; and (2) I didn’t necessarily set out to “play” with anyone or any particular group of people. This switched perception, though, is what I perceived borne out in some of the responses at/to me... that I was the "trespasser"... and being treated as such... and so why I began to perceive some of it as "personal." I really found the topic intriguing, however... in light of my own observations... and so was quite serious in trying to understand what others thought about it and/or had to contribute. I realized from the start that I was taking a micro position, versus the author’s macro position (given the timeframes involved in such “change”)... and perhaps that was my error here. But I intended no particular group as a target nor to arbitrarily invite controversy.

So, okay, I’m done with this, now. Please, though, if you are still intrigued, continue... by all means. I am sure there are those who find the topic as intriguing as I and you and so quite curious as to what else might be added.

Again, peace to you all!

A slave of Christ,

SA

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"He who loves me will OBEY my commandments...

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, that is on jw.com, and all those who 'got with' them:.

may you have peace!.

because israel has, at this 'season' fallen asleep with regard to many 'things' that our lord, the son of god, jah-eshua mischa-jah ("jah saves"; messiah - "chosen of jah"), 'commanded' us to teach others (matthew 28:20), i am compelled by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies (psalm 68:4), that is in me, by means of my lord, to remind israel of one of such commandments.. on the night that he was put to death in the flesh, our lord gave a commandment, to which he stated "keep doing this in remembrance of me.

AGuest

Note to all : Please lets keep the thread on topic and away from personal attacks and disagreements

We will absolutely try, dear Ang (peace to you and dear Simon!), me in particular. It's not always easy, though, as I'm sure you know and so if we fail please absolutely feel free to bring it to our attention here or via PM... and/or delete the thread... as you/mods see fit.

Partaking at home works for me. I share it in 'spirit' now that technology makes it so possible and find that very encouraging and satisfying. It's definitely preferable to the KH anti anointed atmosphere as well.

The atmosphere at the KH can be... mmmmm... "weird", dear Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you, my sister!), but I just push through it. I am concerned that, as with dear Glad's experience (peace to you, dear one!), some folks will NEVER see another partake and so have absolutely NO frame of reference or idea as to what doing so "looks" like. It LOOKS like... no big deal. Just someone(s) taking a sip and a piece of cracker. Yet, such ones doing so "identifies" them among these poor, poor sheep, allowing such ones to at least have some idea of those they MIGHT want to "do good" to, if they want to DO good to anyone. For me, it's like Noah's being a "preacher of righteousness" - I don't have to SAY anything to anyone (although I do try to return the greeting to whoever greets me, as well as warn some that they "might not want to speak to me; I've been disfellowshipped, but thank you and it's good to see you, too!"... so that they don't get themselves "in trouble." With their own consciences, as much as the elders/WTBTS. I don't want to cause anyone any problems - well, okay, no one other than the "wolves" who put us all in this situation. THEM... I don't care SO much about, particularly not as to their consciences. I am truly hoping THEIR consciences will be shaken up at some point... before it's too late. Because they're not only responsible for THEIR actions here, but those they are compelling the sheep to take.

I just consider it part of the "torture pole" my Lord said I would have to carry if I chose to follow him. I did choose, and so... for me, I believe it's just a small price to pay in exchange for what he did for ME. I am simply "substituing as ambassador" for him when I enter among them for this purpose. This is MY position, though - each one must decide for himself/herself... as the Spirit moves THEM.

Have you read the mitzvot in the Torah ? slaves, raping virgins etc..

I HAVE, dear mP (peace to you!). Thankfully, I know the One who said, when he came in the flesh, that he did so to “bear witness to the TRUTH.” Of course, it was the truth about a great many things, but most particularly, the truth about the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies (who may be known to you as “Adonai,” “Elohim,” “LORD,” “God”, or even “Jehovah”). He said that if one sees HIM (that One), one sees God. Prior to his telling me what he meant I, possibly like you and many others, thought this was just an abstract saying (or perhaps that he was saying he WAS God, so if you saw him you SAW God – which isn’t the case)... but he was saying that if one really wants to know what God is LIKE... then one should look at him and what HE is like. I started doing that... and well, all I can say is NOW I understand what he REALLY meant when he included the scribes in his condemnation of the Jewish leaders “works” at the time (“Woe to you... scribes... hypocrites!”): he was talking about the fulfillment of Jeremiah’s prophesy about the “false stylus/pen” recorded at Jeremiah 8:8.

That One, who told and showed me these things, is the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... who is the image, representative, appointed king... and SON... of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH... of Armies... who is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob... and David.

The whole partaking thing is an interesting discussion in and of itself. I had determined that i should be partaking long ago but was unsure how i wanted to go about it, be it at home or at the actual memorial (prior to realizing the truth about the truth).

That’s an interesting profession, EE (I would send you a greeting of peace, but I recall you asking me not to, so... aw, nevermind - peace to your contentious butt, too - LOLOL!!). And one that probably would have taken some courage to live out, given your position within the WTBTS.

I didnt mind the stares if i did it at the actual memorial, i susspect i would have been accepted as a dubbie annointed, but i didnt want the undue attention.

I understand. That feeling, though, of not wanting “undue” attention is born of the WTBTS’ false teaching that we should HIDE our “light”... under a basket... rather than taking it out and placing it on a table. None of us was attention, undue or otherwise, but the declaration that we make when we publicly partake is not ABOUT us (at least, it’s not supposed to be)... but about the One’s whose death we are DECLARING when we DO partake – it’s supposed to be a reminder of HIM... and our faith IN HIM and the meaning of his flesh (true food) and blood (true drink): their CLEANSING and LIFE-giving properties. When we partake, we not only declare his death but OUR FAITH, as well. When we do so publicly... we are declaring both PUBLICLY, not just before earthling man... but before the heavenly assembly.

The WTBTS, however, in its efforts to “shut UP the kingdom of the heavens before men,” have gone out of their way to stifle this declaration... and the faith of those who wish to make it.

It felt like it would have cheapened it to partake in public...

Because THEY cheapen it! All their “pomp” around the event, the fancy glass and “special” wine/bread, then the “talk” - what “talk” did Christ give?? He simply addressed those with him and told them what to do! He gave brief thanks for each, then passed it around... and told EVERYONE, including JUDAS... to take/drink it. And all of this AFTER having shared a literal MEAL with his friends! The bread and wine were LEFTOVERS from that meal.

The WTBTS, however, obscures the very purpose of his instructions by their “oh-so-piously-holy ‘Memorial’”... where they put on a “solemn” assembly that has absolutely NO value... because they don’t permit most there to PARTICIPATE. No, such ones are relegated to the position of spectators only... and then, to make matters WORSE... are compelled... by the disdaining and disapproving looks they KNOW will come if they DO eat/drink... to PASS BY LIFE! Yep, every single time a person passes that plate and glass by... they are passing by the MEANS for their eternal life! Christ IS the life and the bread and wine represent HIS flesh! Thus, he is recorded to have said:

“UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man... AND drink his blood... you have NO life within yourselves!” John 6:53

He SAID that ANYONE who so ate and drank would live... FOREVER (John 6:50-58). He could say this because he also said that if they DID... HE would resurrect them. THIS... is the GOOD news... of the kingdom – that Christ, the One who died but upon whom Death had NO (permanent) hold... LIVES... and so has provided the PROOF that THROUGH HIM... all who belong to HIM... can so live, too! (John 6:56, 57; 15:1-7)

All of this is recorded in the Bible, even the NWT, but is NEVER read at a “Memorial.” Quite conveniently so... as the very word “anyone” would blow their false teaching on this right out of the water! Add to that Christ’s words about HOW one can live forever, NOT by having life “in themselves” which the WTBTS lyingly teaches... but by HIM, because unless one DOES eat and flesh and drink his blood, one HAS NO life... within themselves. To teach otherwise... is a LIE.

Once i realized the truth about the truth i decided it was clear that ALL christians should in fact partake, since there is zero evidance of "two classes" or any other seperate hope. No where was any provision made that i could find for someone NOT to partake.

YES!!

Even in isreal, any who wantsd to be a part of the nation had to partake.

YES!! Indeed, that is how they all stayed alive, Israel AND the “vast mixed company” that went with them:

“The rabble with them began to crave other food, and again the Israelites started wailing and said, “If only we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost—also the cucumbers, melons, leeks, onions and garlic. But now we have lost our appetite; we never see anything but this manna!”

“ The manna was like coriander seed and looked like resin. The people went around gathering it, and then ground it in a hand mill or crushed it in a mortar. They cooked it in a pot or made it into loaves. And it tasted like something made with olive oil. When the dew settled on the camp at night, the manna also came down.” Numbers 11:4-9

Paul even mentioned this in his 2 nd letter to the Corinthians, as recorded at 1 Corinthians 10:1-5:

“For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.”

And why was JAH not pleased with them? Because they were a bunch of whiney, complaining, murmuring cry-babies... which is what the Adversary and other spirit beings ACCUSE man of being! Small, weak, pitiful, and pitiable. Naked, blind, and thinking we’re so “rich”... when we are actually quite POOR and have NOTHING... because we don’t yet have LIFE... yet. (Revelation 3:17)

[SIDE-NOTE: That “rock” was the SAME “rock” on which Peter’s faith was “built” – Christ, the SON OF GOD. And so it was on faith in HIM, that my Lord told Peter that his “church”... the “temple” of God... which is his PEOPLE... would be built! Matthew 16:13-20; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 1 Peter 2:4-6]

The lengths the dubbies go to twist it is hysterical if you look at it objectivly.

It is. BUT... we add to that hysterical-ness, do we not, when we BUY that melarkey from THEM... rather than buying “eyesalve” from Christ? (Revelation 3:18)

*full disclousure, i dont now partake since Thor dosent require it it, but Its a worthwhile discussion in the context of the bible and christian doctrine as it relates to dubbisium and our former cult membership*

Christ doesn’t require it, either; he simply OFFERS it. It is a CHOICE we have: to choose LIFE (“I am the Life" - John 14:6) or death. He’s just holding out the better choice... for any who truly WANT it. If one doesn’t, then no matter: to his own master each one will stand or fall. Or rather, will live... eternally... or not. So, for example, you look to "Thor" () – and that’s entirely your prerogative; I personally take absolutely no issue with that. Alternatively, I look to the Holy One of Israel, the One who is the Tree of Life, the True Vine, the Root of Jesse... Sprout!... JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). We will only be able to tell at the END which was the better choice. For now, though, we should leave one another TO our respective choices... and do so WITH mutual respect. At least, that is what I learn from MY God, as He is shown to me through Christ. Thor, though, may wield a heavier “hammer,” so...

(I have to ask, but I do NOT wish or need you to respond: is it possible that part of your "disillusion" is the result of your believing YOU knew/know who you truly ARE... and what you should do/have done.. but the whole WTBTS thing "against" it - "Oooh, YOU'RE eating and drinking 'unworthily'!!" - caused you to hesitate? Again, please don't respond to ME - that was a question for you to ask of and answer to yourself.)

Finally, dear, dearest Glad... the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one... and what a wonderful (as to how you related it here)... yet sad (as to what you experienced)... account. Unfortunately, your dear father couldn’t answer your questions, which probably greatly concerned... and frustrated... him. He had the responsibility to tell you about these things... and he couldn’t. As a man, that most probably caused him all kinds of confused and perhaps even angry feelings that he just didn’t know what to do with... or about. Sadly, it sounds like he took that out on your just a bit (through his demeanor and the “tone” of his responses), because he really had no one else to take it out on. I mean, he couldn’t very well go to any who were leading HIM in this ridiculous stories and ask for clarification, let alone demand, answers. ‘Cause, heck, THEY didn’t know, either. They were nothing more than a bunch of guys passing on false teachings from false christs – there could BE no truth to these things! And so, of course, they would have blown him off, if not “counseled” him such the would never do THAT (ask) again! And quite possibly, he already HAD at some earlier point in HIS life. So, there he was, trying to excited about what he [though he] knew up to that point, hoping you would be excited, too... only to have you, a small child... a “babe”, if you will... call upon him to consider things he probably never had (at least, not since HE was a child).

I am truly sorry that this discrepancy, and obviously subsequent “discrepancies”... probably contributed to your disillusions about God and Christ. I get it because it’s understandable: how can ANYONE believe in a god that others CAN’T explain... whose teachings/reasonings/actions/inactions all seem inexplicably complicated, confusing, and/or downright unjustified? I certainly couldn’t! Praise JAH, however, that He has given us an IMAGE of Himself... a SON... and so One to look AT... and well as TO... and to speak to us and TELL us the TRUTH about the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself!

That One is the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit: JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MiscaJah)... who is His Son, King, and Christ. If you’ve ever again of a mind... and heart... to have your questions regarding God, Christ, religion, man... even yourself... answered... you only need go to that One and ask. He WILL hear you... and respond. All YOU have to do is LISTEN... and then put faith in what you HEAR... even if that is not what you WANT to hear... or “easy” to hear. Don’t pick and choose, except to the extent it cannot be manifested in love. In that case, it cannot be from him.

Because he is the image of the LIVING God... He Who is the God OF the living... eternally in SPIRIT and not just momentarily in the flesh. And God... IS love.

I hope this helps you all. I hope that it stirs within those of you who may have not already felt, but truly WISH to... the desire to be given ears ... and GIVEN such ears... so as to hear, when the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU:

“Come! “Take ‘life’s water’ ... which ‘water’, holy spirit, is the blood of God... poured out by and from the innermost part of the His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... which he gives to ALL who ask (Luke 11:13)... without doubting (James 1:5)... that he WILL give it... and that it contains the life-giving properties he PROMISED... FREE!”

Servant to you all, to the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... and a [fellow] slave of Christ,

SA

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"He who loves me will OBEY my commandments...

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, that is on jw.com, and all those who 'got with' them:.

may you have peace!.

because israel has, at this 'season' fallen asleep with regard to many 'things' that our lord, the son of god, jah-eshua mischa-jah ("jah saves"; messiah - "chosen of jah"), 'commanded' us to teach others (matthew 28:20), i am compelled by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies (psalm 68:4), that is in me, by means of my lord, to remind israel of one of such commandments.. on the night that he was put to death in the flesh, our lord gave a commandment, to which he stated "keep doing this in remembrance of me.

AGuest

I will most probably be at my old KH next year (peace to you all!), but I would encourage those of you who feel compelled to do it at home, why not call one another? We live in an age where, while we cannot always be together literally in the flesh, we certainly can in SPIRIT, even as we are now. But hearing one another's voices, too. I am sure some do this for that date... and I and others do it on occasion just because (some of us partake every day... as part of the 'daily bread/sacrifice' and "constant feature" of the New Covenant. Israel ate the manna and drank from the rock-mass (that was Christ - 1 Corinthians 10:1-5) EVERY day - it was what kept them alive physically... and so my household does it daily for the preservation of our spiritual lives).

That is NOT to say what any others must/should do - each one must decide for himself/herself... and his/her household... how to handle such a matter. I was just sharing what some of us (including my own household) do.

But again, reach out to one another, if you've a mind and heart to. We have no Leader but Christ and that one said, "Where two or or more are gathered in my name, there I am also." Surely, if one is going to partake of the flesh and blood of Christ, they will also call upon him. So...

Just puttin' it out there, dear ones. Just something to think about... and I'm sure some of you already have.

Again, peace to ALL of you... and your households!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

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"He who loves me will OBEY my commandments...

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, that is on jw.com, and all those who 'got with' them:.

may you have peace!.

because israel has, at this 'season' fallen asleep with regard to many 'things' that our lord, the son of god, jah-eshua mischa-jah ("jah saves"; messiah - "chosen of jah"), 'commanded' us to teach others (matthew 28:20), i am compelled by the spirit of my father, the holy one of israel, jah of armies (psalm 68:4), that is in me, by means of my lord, to remind israel of one of such commandments.. on the night that he was put to death in the flesh, our lord gave a commandment, to which he stated "keep doing this in remembrance of me.

AGuest

Aguest, how would you attempt to explain how corrupt the new teaching that only the Governing Body are those who Christ said would provide "food for the domestics"?

I would first take the matter to my Lord, dear Arabian Tree (peace to you, dear one!)... because he decides, not me, who will "get" what I would share with them. I would tell him that I am willing to be used to do HIS will... and so to not let me speak of my own heart and mind, but to put HIS words "in" me so that I don't misstate to or mislead anyone. And then I would leave it up to him. I wouldn't prepare ahead of time what I would say (it's almost always given to me at the last moment, anyway - I will hear him say to me, "Go to such and such a one and say..." or "Such a one will approach you and you are to say to him/her/them...". And then I just say what he tells me to. Because HE will recall to my mind what to say, because it belongs to him, not me.

This discussion with elderly JWs is going no place at all, each JW I talk to think's this information "is refresing New Light form Jehovah God! (o' my stomach hurts!).

Yes, I totally understand that pain - I have felt it, too, literally. We did discuss this topic on the other forum and that might help you.

Teach me some cool tactics around their blocked minds.

Ah, dear one... it doesn't quite work that way: Israel's minded has been allowed to become "dull" and so they relish their "sleep". Waking them isn't easy... and one is often met with some "grouchiness." I have learned, then, that it's only those who WANT to be awakened who are. So, I don't know of any "tactics" besides their own desire to wake up. When that happens, it's not really that difficult to get them to "see" the farce. The older they are, however, the more "deep" their slumber. Because the less they can see through the "fog" as to "where else" to go. Unfortunately (well, fortunately, actually), there is no "where" else to go... but only a "whom" - Christ.

So, if I had to start somewhere, I would start by helping them on their way to seeing who the Word of God TRULY is: Christ. There are a couple/few verses that might help open the door to that discussion:

John 5:39, 40

John 6:48-58

John 8:32; 14:6; 8:36;

John 17:17; Hebrews 13:12

John 10:1-15; 15:27; Hebrews 12:18-26

John 1:14; Revelation 19:13

Of course, you should understand the truth of what those verses are saying yourself, first, though, if you don't already. But if they're open to these, and get the SENSE of them, you will at least know that they ARE awake... or awakening... and perhaps even listening/ready to listen. If not, no worries - JAH is merciful, so perhaps another time... or another older one. You can't get discouraged, though, because it SEEMS like "no one" is listening - it isn't just about who listens to YOU (actually, it isn't about that at all), but about what YOU will do with the "food" YOU'VE been given: will you hoard it and perhaps hide it... or will you cast it upon the waters?

I hope this helps, dear AA. Again, peace to you... and may JAH bless!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA