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Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?

by AGuest in

in a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.

in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).

that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.

AGuest

I hear you, dear P (the greatest of love and peace to you!)... but I have to say that my Lord has proven himself trustworthy. More than anyone or anything I've ever encountered. Which is why I CAN have faith in him: he has proven himself with evidence/evident demonstrations... so that the things I "hope for"... that have yet to come FROM HIM... will do so! For example, it was proven to ME... demonstrably... that he rose from the dead. Did I see him do that? No. Did I see him at all before he proved to me that he had? Nope. I heard him. He can't speak if he's dead, can he? So, I had no alternative BUT to conclude that he was alive... because I could HEAR him (although not see... "behold" him).

Given that I have proof that HE rose from the dead... and that he has never lied to me... then when he says that he can resurrect ME from the dead... I am CONFIDENT that should I die he WILL. Therefore, I have faith IN him that (1) he can, and (2) he will... not leave me in Sheol (should I die (because not all will, but I don't dwell on that either way).

So, while I am not unduly UNCONSCIOUS of the potential I have to die, such that I disregard ALL caution (which would be putting that promise to the TEST!)... I am not unduly concerned with dying, either. It is what it is and will most probably occur for me. BUT... so what if it does? I not only trust him as to his word that he CAN resurrect me, but have faith in him that he WILL resurrect me. That being, "the thing HOPED FOR (i.e., not being left in Sheol but reunited with my loved ones, as his promise is for them, as well).

I get it that some people believe this life is all that there is... and I can understand why they think that. Just as I can understand why some believe they/loved ones are/have automatically "going/gone to heaven" when they die. Both have been explained to me. And I don't have a problem with those who have either beliefs (and both ARE beliefs), not at all. Any "problem" that I WOULD have has to do with when those beliefs lie on the Most Holy One of Israel... or His Son. Otherwise, I don't really care, truly. Because I know what has been told and shown to ME... and so I have to go with the EVIDENCE I have received.

Regardless of whether anyone else agrees, disagrees, etc. Doesn't matter: I know what I've heard and seen... and by means of whom: the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH... of Armies.

Again, peace to you... and YOUR household!

YOUR servant and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

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friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

And so goes the saying, dear NC (peace!)...

"Nam myoho renge kyo"!

Indeed!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

Let's make sure your thread goes out with dignity and not in one of these senseless, silly, petty battles.

Oh, would that it could. My Lord knows I tried to keep it "there", even taking the "mess" elsewhere. Hard to do, though, when one brings mess to one's own thread...

C'mon, dear NC (peace to you!): the only "baiting" that occurred here was the usual "bait and switch" that these kinds of threads are to begin with. If folks TRULY want a truce, they need to act like they do, right out the gate... and simply offer a hand/kiss/hug/flag/word of peace... and leave it that. Allowing one's own "friends" to take potshots... as well as bringing inaccurate mess in... isn't indicative of wanting to foment truce. When one starts a thread like this, one takes the responsibility of LEADING the journey toward the end... truce... if that was one's true intention.

Please. The lack of TRUTH just blows my mind. Then again, I guess I understand that most consider a "form" of truth just as good.

I don't.

Peace... truly. From me... to whomever can receive that. For others, if and when they are TRULY ready to receive it, if ever. Until then, the "games" will most likely just continue. And that IS the real, as in unretouched, non-airbrushed, pock-marked... dripping with sweat and displaying all moles, zits, pimples, cellulite, dandruff and other "things" we all try to hide from others... truth.

A slave of Christ,

SA

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

I think some points [panda] bear repeating, dear Palm (peace to you!)... and perhaps emphasizing (just in case some didn't bother to read everything that transpired [since they last posted/read the thread])...including these, some of which [panda] bear THREE-repeating, apparently:

"... There really is no problem "between atheists and non-atheists" on this board.

"... atheists and non-athiests HERE actually "reside" together in [relative] peace, for the most part.

"... let's be real - there ARE some problems, even though small in comparison to the "big picture" of this forum...

"... Some atheists have a problem with SOME believers (and other folk).

"... SOME believers have a problem with SOME atheists (and other folk).

"... SOME atheists have a problem with a certain believer in particular... andwith any BELIEVER who agrees with, support, befriend, or even confess affection for... a certain believer in particular. We should also note, though, they don't [seem to] have the same problem with any NON-believers who support, befriend, or even confess affection for that certain believer...

"... Such atheists claim that their problem is based on the particular believer's beliefs, but their comments often seem to indicate that more is involved, which causes believers to get more involved. Regardless, these non-believers have a problem with "something" (and they admit that) and that something is most related to the particular believer (which they also admit).

"... a "truce" really [can] be reached...

"... if just a few things... are remembered by ALL:

"... This is ... a SOCIAL discussion board, and nothing... is going to change that.

"... This is NOT a public forum... and with the exception of the Owners, everyone is here by permission OF the owners.

"... ONLY THE OWNERS can... and so should... say who can, can not, should and should not post here... as well as what they can, can not, should, and should not post here. Since then, all ARE here by implied... OR EXPLICIT... invitation of the Owner(s)... and some, including myself are here by the latter, although such may not be known to all... no one else should think they have the "power" to state otherwise, and so should refrain from stating, implying, insinuating, alluding to, or demanding that someone NOT be here... or post what/as they do. (yeah, that entire one needed to be three-peated... maybe even four- and five-... heck, 10-peated... before we actually get somewhere even near a realistic "truce").

"... the purpose of this site... is to give a voice... to the extent such does not violate forum rules... to former and current Jehovah's Witnesses due to the LACK of free speech afforded by the WTBTS... to both its current members and former members, their families, friends, and other loved ones... which lack not only suppresses free will and the RIGHT to choose... but the right to pursue one's faith should that be outside the boundaries and doctrines OF the WTBTS. It is NOT a site that foments atheism OR faith. It is a proponent of neither, but a champion of both. Which is why it has been so successful. (This one, too. Well, almost...)

"... It's an easy enough thing to do, a truce... if not an all-out "cease fire"... if these things can be remembered. I want to have hope that all WILL remember these things;

"... some folks who, upon "coming to dinner"... forget that they are guests. For some, such is forgotten at the doorstep. For others, after some time. (I should add, some never considered themselves guests to begin with, although they should have... and should do so now).

"... We ARE all guests, however... no matter HOW long we've been here.

"... Only two here are not guests, but owners. Householders...

"... until thehouseholder puts out the pineapple... or walks one to the door... one should feel "at home"... but always observing the "rules" of the "house." (Notice, it's the HOUSEHOLDER who puts out the pineapple... or walks others to the door... NOT another guest - sheesh...)

"... Because, again, one really is... just a guest."

I mean, really... let's start being at least a LITTLE honest about all of this stuff. 'Cause ya'll KNOW it's all true... even if you don't LIKE it... or want to HEAR it.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA, who found all the "editing" that went on after hours quite curious. Not that anyone cares, though: those who mattered in the discussion knew what was actually "said". You know, before all the "editing" -

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

Now that's just uncalled for, dear NC (LOLOLOLOL!) - Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA, going beddie-bye...

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

Hmmmm... just what else can a sheep be...

Peace... and off to bed (hubby says I HAVE to!)

A slave of Christ,

SA, who knows a couple/few wolves in sheep's clothing, but... they're not sheep... pouting...

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

Heeyyyyy, Miz Josie!!!! Peace, chile'! Gurl, wha'chu doin' up in this thread? Ain't nuthin' worthy of dear folks like you goin' on up in here, Missus Girl! LOLOLOL! This is for us more sulli-fied wimmens - LOLOLOL!

Peace to you and your dear fam, my sistah!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

Pandas, goats... what's wrong with sheep? Sheep need love, too! And sweet little lambs are just as "calming" as cuddly-looking pandas (unless we're talking about Kung-Fu Panda, though, 'cause he's the BOMB! Well, the bear... uh, panda...).

I think I see some animal bias goin' on up in here...

But okay, pandas... goats... whatever... I'm calm. Just tired of silly (unless it's say, a Kung-Fu Panda kind of silly).

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

Don't make me bring out the Panda, Aguest.

OH, NOOOOO! NOT THE PANDA??!! Oh, heck, okay. Go on and bring it on out, girl (peace, dear Palm ). I'll behave. I promise. Well, I mean, until someone gets silly with me again. I just have a hard time with silly. So, I dunno... we'll have to see.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

AGuest

I'm glad you got that off your chest Aguest.

It wasn't on my chest, girl. It just was what it was...

And I hope you feel better.

Well, now that you mention it... I mean, at least I don't have to wonder whether you think I'm hinting at something. Now you know I'm not.

Can we move forward now?

Oh, Lordy, CAN we? Please???? If ONLY...

A slave of Christ,

SA