This is absolutely hilarious, Jim, thanks!
Gretchen
a non-jw friend in california just emailed this to me:.
http://members.cox.net/impunity/endofworld.swf.
enjoy!
This is absolutely hilarious, Jim, thanks!
Gretchen
thread topics like "how to mess up the society"...."what dirty tricks would you pull on the watchtower" and "the society is about to go down the tubes!
" don't impress me.
honesty and forthrightness.
Wine and crackers sound ok?
This is great if you only want to eat once a year. I haven't seen them passing a plate around for an individual in any congregation I was part of. Feeding the hungry is not their deal. I can hear them now, "Why would we exert effort to feed them in this system for a short time when they can eat forever on a paradise earth if they only listen to the spiritual food?"
LOL
Also, when you play the victim role the abuser does have continued control over you. I know I'm all "new age" so this will sound weird, perhaps. But one affirmation you can make is: I release you from the role of abuser and relinquish the hold you have over my life. Doesn't happen overnight, but nothing good ever does.
Finally one day it is possible not to give a s**t anymore about them. Hating takes energy and I have absolutely none left for the borg. I see them now as a bunch of old men playing at god. Thats called a delusion and I have no time for it and no emotion except pity.
Gretchen
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i just stumbled across this site, pretty silly stuff.
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/
This is hilarious! My son was showing me the same link one day, they have a lot of twisted rodent humor. You gotta love it!
Gretchen
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12920562,00.html
pardon me if this has already been posted.
i looked back five pages and didn't see a thread for this.. ash.
I looked at your article long enough to see that it was right-wing propoganda. I notice that the article you posted last is also from a similar source. Give us some independent, substantiated data from sources that aren't aimed at advancing their agenda.
This is the last time I'll post on this, you won't convince me, I won't convince you. Instead of being objective it will be a lose-lose as is typical these days with the polarized political parties. What a shame. I think its time I went green.
Gretchen
my daughter is seriously thinking of cancelling christmas this year.
after spending so much time with you guys, i begged her to reconsider.
i think she does not realize what she is missing unless she was part of an organization that told her she must never celebrate this holiday again.. to her defence, i know she is overwhelmed by the obligations of the season.
This is great! Thanks~
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i'm listening .
I have absolutely no idea, although I have gotten a few nice emails. I keep hearing about this other site. Could someone email me more information? I'd love to see what thats all about.
Gretchen
thread topics like "how to mess up the society"...."what dirty tricks would you pull on the watchtower" and "the society is about to go down the tubes!
" don't impress me.
honesty and forthrightness.
This is an interesting topic. I have been on two separate ex-jw sites and this comes up now and then. It seems that there is a period of anger after you leave. Not too surprising considering it is part of the grief cycle. Why are some angrier than others and lash out? Why do some people feel the pain more from a paper cut than another person might? Each individual is different. You have to release that anger and then move on to the next stage. Getting stuck in it is a problem.
People just need to understand that we all heal at different rates. This site seems to draw in people at all stages of that cycle. Personally if I see a topic that looks a little "out there" I just don't read it.
As far as the getting revenge thing, some of what I see is a bit passive agressive, and personally I think therapy might be appropriate. In fact a lot of people need a lot of help with the deprogramming process. I know people that have been in therapy for years to release all of this crap.
On one list I was on I really got tired of it after awhile because it brought up a lot of anger I had thought I had already processed through. So I quit the list for about a year. Then I went back after I had a chance to get some help with healing. Now I just try to help where I can or ignore what I can't.
Well I guess I'm rambling......sorry.
Gretchen
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12920562,00.html
pardon me if this has already been posted.
i looked back five pages and didn't see a thread for this.. ash.
Lowering standards to accomodate women is not what feminism is about.
This lament is so old and tired. I was married to a cop for 15 years. I remember when they were first letting women into the police force. I never saw so much hatefulness and vindictiveness and harrassment. The same thing was said then. But those standards, thankfully, aren't always the measure of a good cop. Women stand their own in police work, some of the best cops are women and now are highly respected.
In the military there are women who train very hard to be part of the action. I have never desired to be in the military, I'm a pacifist at heart. But I believe that women can have a place without the whole thing falling apart. The women that were in that group that were ambushed, were administrative people. I have yet to see what they were doing there in the first place. These women were not trained in combat operations. So I'm not sure how they could have done anything differently.
And, lastly, I think there have been actions on both sides that have been despicable. But what a lot of people tend to forget is that these people believe that they are defending their country from an occupying force. We are detaining people we capture without charging them or letting them see a lawyer or their families for over 18 months. That even violates the Geneva convention. I was happy to see today that the Supreme Court decided to hear that case. ...not to mention, as Simon pointed out, we are killing unarmed civilians.
I'm not sure what all the emotion is about here on the subject of Jessica. Basically we all agree that she was hyped all out of proportion. She says she was hyped all out of proportion. What I can't understand is the pointing of fingers and blame that is being dished out. I hope she was not raped, she probably was. If the Iraquis took her they probably made sure there was nothing to find with a rape kit. This is probably something that will never be decided, certainly not by us.
Tell you what, lets lay it all on the feet of those pesky aliens in the mother ship.
Gretchen
just wanted to update you all on my sinus problem.
friday nov 7, i went back to my doctor he put me on a medicine to thin my mucous.
in thirty days if the problem persists he wants a cat scan done.
Take the other end and suck on it.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Gretchen
Azzie, there is hope. Anger is not a bad thing, its a very healing part of the grief cycle. I was once a very angry person. I took it out on people that I considered stupid, I really had a lot of road rage, I hated my parents for abusing us when we were young (not sexual abuse), I was pissed off for being so deluded by the wts for so many years that I denied my sexuality and wasted years of my life. I know there were other reasons.
As long as you don't get stuck in that anger and become a professional victim, you can use it to move on. Sometimes that does take therapy. You have to learn to love yourself. You have to really believe that you did nothing wrong, you were the victim. You have to learn to hope and to dream and to live and to trust. And those things are possible.
It took me many years to quit being angry at my parents. But I finally "got it." They were ignorant people (as in uneducated), they were/are superstitious, and they were part of a cult that held them captive in that ignorance. Both my parents were also abused by their parents. In my mom's case it was sexual abuse by her father and her brother both. So do I hate them now? No, I truly feel sorry for them. I know that they live in intense fear every day that their children out of the borg are going to die horrible deaths in armeggedon. They live every day in that fear. That is much to be pitied.
So, you finally gain some perspective about life and situations. Personally I have a strong belief in karma. Some of you might call that by another name. It really just means to me that evil people generally end up getting what they deserve.
And here's a part of it that really helps me. Helping others. Did you ever see the movie "Pay it Forward"? I know this sounds really cheesy, but it really does make a difference. Because giving without any expectation of return can really help your self-esteem. Not to mention I believe these things usually come back three-fold.
Anyway, AZ, best wishes to you and to the others who have expressed their angers due to things that have happened in their life.
Gretchen