Posts by AhHah

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Commentary

by Seven in

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who's demanding?

faith in ourselves has superseded faith in god .

early in the 19th century, disputing the religious dogmatism of the puritans, ralph waldo emerson preached that "it is by yourself without ambassador that god speaks to you.

AhHah

Could the passage clearly refer to God's "holy spirit," His active force, but also, could it be, pictorial of someone else, someone's personal "activity" on earth? Someone's ministry? A Human's Activity?
For instance, I noticed, in your list of scriptures dealing with John the 16th chapter, you SKIPPED verse 15 .
Why not discuss this one.
It says:
"That one [Spirit of Truth] will glorify me [Jesus], because he will RECEIVE FROM IS MINE and will declare it to you."
Question: How does the Holy Spirit of God, God's Active Force, "RECEIVE FROM WHAT IS MINE [that which belongs to Jesus]"?
In fact, how does the Holy Spirit "Receive" ANYTHING FROM JESUS ?
How does this take place, if this verse applies EXCLUSIVELY and TOTALLY to God's Active Spirit, alone?
Again, How Does God's Active Force "receive" anything from Jesus, God's Son?
Any thoughts?

If you look at my post again you will see that I also referenced John 16:15 as part of the context. You might find Christ's words as quoted in the next chapter at John 17:6-10 shed some light on your questions as to what he meant at John 16:15. There in his prayer to the Father on behalf of his disciples, he states "for the words that you gave to me I have given to them". There, the Christian pattern is revealed. The Father reveals to the Son, the Son reveals to the human disciples, with NO HUMAN MEDIATOR between the Father and the Son while he was on the earth. In chapter 16, he explained that after he had left the earth, the Holy Spirit of God would come into the picture, with no reference to a HUMAN.

Since most do not question the personage of the Father and the Son, most have no trouble understanding Christ's words in chapter 17. Most Christians also do not question the personage of the Holy Spirit, which you reject and choose not to debate. So, on your premise that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person, you would have us believe that Christ might instead be refering to some future HUMAN, although he does not say so.

Anything that cannot be proven otherwise is theoretically possible, but is it likely based on the context and what was said? More importantly, would not Christ have made it more clear to his future disciples to expect to follow another HUMAN, if that was his intention? Especially in view of his warnings about being misled by false prophets coming in his name?

I am not arguing for (or against) a belief in the Holy Spirit as a personage or part of the Holy Trinity, as most Christians would, for understanding John 16:15. However, in view of the context and the clear references to the Holy Spirit, which is nowhere else in the Bible (to my knowledge) personified by a HUMAN or vice-versa, then I would NOT be inclined to accept your premise that Christ was HINTING that he MIGHT just use a HUMAN for something as important as future spiritual revelations to his disciples.

And, as I mentioned before, would not an understanding of something this important have been previously argued and commented upon in some theological reference if there were any reasonable credence to be given it? Can you provide any other reference whatsoever in defense of your premise? Or, has Christ spoken to you about this matter personally?

I'll ask you again straight out -- do you claim to be this prophet of whom you speak or know his identity? If so, what are your qualifications to speak for God? I would think that Almighty God could be a little more convincing, wouldn't you?

Edited by - AhHah on 21 October 2000 1:56:42

Edited by - AhHah on 21 October 2000 2:17:29

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John Lennon's piano is for sale!

by AhHah in

lennon's piano on sale in new bout of beatlemania.

october 17, 2000 5:42 am est .

by lyndsay griffiths.

AhHah

That's funny. I heard he was going to keep it in a Hollywood men's room.

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Commentary

by Seven in

jw
friends

who's demanding?

faith in ourselves has superseded faith in god .

early in the 19th century, disputing the religious dogmatism of the puritans, ralph waldo emerson preached that "it is by yourself without ambassador that god speaks to you.

AhHah

Hey MDS!

You have so far ignored my response to your post. Was it something I said? I certainly hope so!

Do you have no more convincing New Testamant scriptural basis for the existence of your new prophet than John 16:12-15? What makes you think that "the Spirit of truth" spoken of there is a human? Compare those verses also with their context in John 16:7 and also John 14:16,17,25,26. These words of Christ are generally understood to refer to the Holy Spirit. Depending on your understanding, the holy spirit is either God's power or part of God's very being. However, I have never seen any theological reference ascribe Christ's words there to refer to some human. Can you provide such a reference?

Why are you describing a prophet whose identity you choose to keep a closely guarded secret? Does this prophet exist yet? Has this prophet only revealed himself/herself to you? If this prophet had already proven himself as such, you would not need to promote him/her would you?

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Commentary

by Seven in

jw
friends

who's demanding?

faith in ourselves has superseded faith in god .

early in the 19th century, disputing the religious dogmatism of the puritans, ralph waldo emerson preached that "it is by yourself without ambassador that god speaks to you.

AhHah

TR,

That could explain the Great Pyramid in Egypt then, right? When they left in their spaceship, they inspired the belief in Ra, the Sun God, who was said to have fathered the Pharaohs. Wait a minute! That sounds just like the storyline from the movie Stargate. Hey, who's to say?

I am kidding a little, but the truth is, we just don't know for sure because we can't prove that theory is wrong, any more than we can prove that the Genesis story of creation is true. At some point, faith comes into the picture for unconditional belief.

The source of all the energy present in the universe remains an unanswered question from a purely theoretical perspective. Whether the source was an intelligent personage, and whether all was directly and independently created by the Source or whether the Source put the intelligence into the process, we really don't know. Many of the world's best scientific minds see evidence of evolution, even though some of them profess belief in a Source or God.

Since humans do not currently possess the knowledge and ability to create new life forms (we only procreate), some find a belief in a superior, intelligent creator to be more plausible than speculations, such as your post.

However, ancient civilizations believed that gods were responsible for natural phenomena that we now understand and take for granted. Most of our scientific knowledge is just a few hundred years old, and much is younger. In a few hundred more years, is it possible that we will unravel many mysteries of life and creation that are currently only discussed in the context of science fiction? If that happens, will we be less inclined to ascribe what we then more fully understand, to the direct intervention of a superior intelligence?

Will we ever unravel the mystery of the original Cause without direct communication from a supernatural source?

Why do all life forms that we can directly observe, eventually "die", or experience a transformation of energy? Does that imply a flaw in the process, or is what we perceive as an end or death, simply a natural process of transformation that has always existed and always will?

Does the fact that we are self-aware (sentient) imply that we are of a different nature or process from all other life forms that we have directly observed? Does this in itself create a valid argument that we have a separate spiritual existence that is not limited to our physical body?

Will that which we now perceive as spiritual and not bound by our physical nature eventually be proven as such and accepted as readily as our physical observations? Will we finally all develop an ability to be in direct communication with a spiritual dimension and spiritual personages, as some now claim to do?

btw, did anyone see the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster? What did you think of it?

Edited by - AhHah on 20 October 2000 21:43:23

Edited by - AhHah on 20 October 2000 22:1:48

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Commentary

by Seven in

jw
friends

who's demanding?

faith in ourselves has superseded faith in god .

early in the 19th century, disputing the religious dogmatism of the puritans, ralph waldo emerson preached that "it is by yourself without ambassador that god speaks to you.

AhHah

I couldn't help but notice that bjc2012 responded last to this thread, instead of MDS.

Are you two the same person?

If not, do you know each other?

Are "one" of you God's new prophet?

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Israel / Palestine ??

by AhHah in

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carmel,.

since you are there, care to let us in on what's the deal?

is it primarlily a religious dispute?

AhHah

I sure hope you are right!

There seem to be few things that will perpetuate hostility more than believing that "God is on my side." How pathetic!

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Commentary

by Seven in

jw
friends

who's demanding?

faith in ourselves has superseded faith in god .

early in the 19th century, disputing the religious dogmatism of the puritans, ralph waldo emerson preached that "it is by yourself without ambassador that god speaks to you.

AhHah

If Jehovah wants only one channel of communcation...He need only to inspire one person. This then, becomes His method of selecting the one He wants to represent Himself. There would be no mystery about it, no confusion, no misunderstanding, the one that Jehovah has chosen.

I understand that the Bible teaches that Christ's coming to the earth in person fulfilled the old law covenant, with its earthly priests (intercessors) and ineffective sacrifices.

I understand that the divine pattern for spiritual revelation from God now rests only with Christ and the holy spirit. God needs no additional human assistance, Christ was the man that was provided by God.

I read nothing in the Bible that says that spiritual revelations, after Christ left the earth, would be made through a human. In fact, there are many statements credited to Christ that state just the opposite! Christ says that through him is the only acceptable way to approach the Father. He even warned about humans that would mislead many, in his name.

Jesus promised us:
"The spirit of truth would guide us into ALL TRUTH" and would "declare the things coming," or put more plainly....it [the inspired source] would tell us (declare to us) the future (things coming.) -- John 16:13

As to the quote above, I see absolutely no basis for your interpretation that those words have any reference to a human being used to speak for God.

For these reasons, I would absolutely reject anyone who dared to claim that God or Christ speaks to mankind through him.

When it comes to organized religions of men, it seems there is never a shortage of people trying to draw followers after themselves. And sadly, it seems that there will always be those who are willing to be victimized by them.

That is just my opinion, of course. I could be wrong. But you won't ever again see me following any man or group of men, so help me God!

Edited by - AhHah on 20 October 2000 17:34:47

Edited by - AhHah on 20 October 2000 19:15:38

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How Great The Loss

by Frenchy in

i had not visited this place for a while.

i was very happy to see that others had not deserted it as i had.

that's what this poem is about.. how great the loss.

AhHah

Frenchy,

I love it! I can totally relate. I also love the way this poem sounds. Kind of like the reassuring sounds of a small stream as it flows past in a quiet forest.

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Israel / Palestine ??

by AhHah in

jw
friends

carmel,.

since you are there, care to let us in on what's the deal?

is it primarlily a religious dispute?

AhHah

Carmel,

Since you are there, care to let us in on what's the deal? Is it primarlily a religious dispute? Please enlighten me. How is this scene likely to end?

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Do you believe ...

by AhHah in

simply respond to each question with a yes or no answer (or '?

' if unsure):.

before answering, please see my comments on general/main - "how about a survey?"..

AhHah

If you mean that we are capable of love, justice, wisdom and power, the cardinal attributes of Almighty God -- then I would have to say no. Just kidding! Since I haven't met God, I really don't know, do you? (I hope he is better looking!)