Posts by AhHah

I have been attempting to find some validation of Laurence Gardner's work and his book "Bloodline of the Holy Grail", referenced on a link that Seven provided on this thread.

I have not found any serious review of his work yet (nothing that is not attempting to sell his books).

Unfortunately, the context of the sites that sell his books make it seem dubious at best. Check out this link:

url http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2301/starfire.html

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I just found the first link that casts some doubt on the reliability of this book. It contains a foreword by a supposed HRH Prince Michael of Albany, Head of the Royal House of Stewart. This man's claim to royalty is discredited at the link below. The link also mentions Laurence Gardner's book as the source of the fraudulent claim:

This wholly fictional claim may is taken from The Bloodline of the Holy Grail - The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed by Laurence Gardner, The Chevalier Labhran de St Germain, ISBN 1-85230-870-2, and published by Element Books.[1] It is a complete invention, and cannot be supported by any documents or historical sources. The alleged genealogy is filled with falsehoods, the most obvious being that Prince Charles Edward, Charles III, never married "Marguerite O’Dea d’Audibert de Lussan, Comtesse de Massillan" (1749-1820), had he done so he would have been guilty of bigamy since he was already married to Princess Louise of Stolberg, who survived him. Perhaps this name is called into the equation because the Drummond Dukes of Melfort married into this same family and inherited the Lussan title.

url http://www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/fantasy/stuart.htm
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Here is a critical review of the book from this link:
url http://www.tektonics.org/LG.BHG_1852308702.html#Summary

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A review of Laurence Gardner's Bloodline of the Holy Grail
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by
J. P. Holding
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A correspondent asked me to look into this book, and I have to admit that I didn't have to read very far to get what I needed, for it is obvious what this book is up to on its face. That makes it easier to dismiss, though.
All that Gardner (a professed "internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist" and royal historiographer) does, quite simply, is rely on the works of previous writers who are quite nearly as uncritically insane as he is. Ahmed Osman, who asserts that Moses was actually Akhenaten. Baigent and Leigh, the Dead Sea Scroll conspiracy cretins. Barbara Thiering. Lots and lots of Barbara Thiering. Bloodline of the Holy Grail is nothing but conspiracy-theory, second hand, mixed in with an overwhelming host of extremely bad arguments that we've already had our day with on these pages and others.
With this consideration, it is no surprise that this book -- the premise of which is that the "Holy Grail" is actually a royal bloodline, descended from David through Jesus to certain people of the present day -- is endorsed by only one person, a certain "Prince Michael of Albany". I'll give you three guesses as to who the bloodline ends up with in modern times, and you won't need two of them....and you don't need to guess that this Michael guy might be in La La Land himself. Don't let the thick bibliography fool you into thinking that this guy has done any homework: Bloodline of the Holy Grail is sensationalist trash for the National Enquirer crowd. And second-hand trash, at that!

Edited by - AhHah on 28 October 2000 3:37:43

Edited by - AhHah on 28 October 2000 3:59:52

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Bumperstickers of DB participants

by Seven in

i noticed these bumperstickers on the cars of some of our posters here:.

it's not just for breakfast anymore!.

2.redhorsewoman-cats-the other white meat.. 3.carmel-constipated people don't give a crap.. 4.waiting-who lit the fuse on your tampon?.

AhHah

Waiting,

Not even a Jedi poster can remember every single post they ever wrote!

BTW ... which bumper sticker was your fav? (I'm guessing Carmel's!)

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Bumperstickers of DB participants

by Seven in

i noticed these bumperstickers on the cars of some of our posters here:.

it's not just for breakfast anymore!.

2.redhorsewoman-cats-the other white meat.. 3.carmel-constipated people don't give a crap.. 4.waiting-who lit the fuse on your tampon?.

AhHah

Waiting,

You did notice that your mystery post was dated Aug. 28, right? (please don't shoot me ... )

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Research and Honesty

by TR in

jw
friends

when i was a jw, i thought i knew enough about the religion to try to convince others to join.

in reality, i only knew what other jw's and the wts told me.

i admit to being gullible and naive when at a young age i wasn't sure what i wanted out of life.

AhHah

TR and Path,

Am I mistaken, or do I remember correctly that Dubby decided to drop his old handle and start posting as TR/Tom?

(When Simon Says gives us a search by Profile we will be able to keep these things straight much more easily, dontchaknow?)

Edited by - AhHah on 27 October 2000 20:11:54

4

Running up that hill

by Kristen in

running up that hill.

it doesn't hurt me.. (yeah yeah yo).

be running up that road,.

AhHah

You don't want to hurt me,
(yeah yeah yo)
But see how deep the bullet lies.
(yeah yeah yo)
Unaware I'm tearing you asunder.
(yeah yeah yo)
Ooh, there is thunder in our hearts.
(yeah yeah yo)
Is there so much hate for the ones we love?
(yeah yeah yo)
Tell me, we both matter, don't we?

Kristen,

I can relate. Good choice. What is the music like?

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Bumperstickers of DB participants

by Seven in

i noticed these bumperstickers on the cars of some of our posters here:.

it's not just for breakfast anymore!.

2.redhorsewoman-cats-the other white meat.. 3.carmel-constipated people don't give a crap.. 4.waiting-who lit the fuse on your tampon?.

AhHah

Hey All,

Can you believe it? I was driving around today, and I'll be darned if I also didn't see some posters out and about! They had more funny bumper stickers on their cars, too! Check these out:

Waiting: "I'm out of estrogen -- And I have a gun."

RedhorseWoman: "You have the right to remain silent, So please shut up."

SevenofNine: "Princess, Having had sufficient experience with princes, Seeks frog."

Roamingfeline: "So many men, So few who can afford me."

Simon: "And your point is ...?"

SolidSender: "Do not start with me. You will not win."

Zep: "Practice safe eating. Always use condiments."

Frenchy: "If marriage were outlawed, only outlaws would have in-laws."

Pathofthorns: "I don't mind going nowhere as long as it is an interesting Path."

Carmel: "I don't get even, I get odder."

Friend: "My inferiority complex is not as good as yours."

TR/Dubby: "Dijon Vu -- the same mustard as before."

AhHah: "Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me, either. Just leave me the hell alone."

Spectromize: "It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others."

Scorpion: "Visualize whirled peas."

FYI - I came across the above and thought it would be fun to try and match some up -- I know -- some are a real stretch.

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Any similarities to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental and is neither intended or implied.

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Edited by - AhHah on 27 October 2000 16:31:2

Edited by - AhHah on 27 October 2000 16:34:12

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Return to the K.H.?

by TR in

jw
friends

lately, i've been toying with idea of visiting the local cong.

to find out wassup in the local territory.

the trouble is, some might recognize me.

AhHah

Grunt,

Your post captures the living nightmare, the frustration that so many of us have to live with. How does one remain silent with loved ones, knowing that any effort made to enlighten them will probably just alienate them and likely prevent any possible future communication that might otherwise happen when they are ready? Every day I think about questions that I would like to pose to them, to help them wake up to the reality of their religion.

I was thinking about asking how they feel about the JW practice of disfellowshipping -- whether it is really scriptural and consistent with Christian love. How would they feel if I told them that Christ never intended for elders to meet in judicial committees and pass judgment on their brothers? Would they feel that I do not have God's spirit? The point is, that soon the Borg will probably say those very same things when they reverse their unchristian practice -- to save their own asses from being dissolved in many countries. How will they feel then, if I have made them react now to what they believe is a true Christian practice? Would it make a difference? Would it make them think?

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They're so confused

by HAL in

jw
friends

gather round my children for your educational seminar.. why do you think there are 190 forum members, but only 6 or 7 post?.

sites like this are most useful to us to determine the number and strength of the so-called reform movement.. once identified, most receive loving direction and no longer post.

many who remain are typical born-again posers, witnesses who left years ago, or individuals assigned by us to stimulate conversation.. (note how the composite simon posts when things are slow.

AhHah

Hey HALitosis (no apology - the handle fits, so wear it),

I'm just venturing a wild guess here ... but are you an immature 15 year old? Don't you have a video game or something that you'd rather be playing? That post was really lame. If you are going to post fiction, you could at least try to make it somewhat believable!

Edited by - AhHah on 26 October 2000 17:11:4

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Research and Honesty

by TR in

jw
friends

when i was a jw, i thought i knew enough about the religion to try to convince others to join.

in reality, i only knew what other jw's and the wts told me.

i admit to being gullible and naive when at a young age i wasn't sure what i wanted out of life.

AhHah

Peter,

Let me extend a very warm welcome and thank you for posting. I look forward to hearing more about your experiences and what it was that caused you to question your beliefs in the religion. Was this forum helpful then or now?