Posts by CharlieSmith1975

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Flogging the Vat 4956 horse

by MightierThanTheSword in

i'm just curious about something & wonder if the experts could help.. basically i am documenting all of the main lines of evidence for the jws being the one & then investigating each claim systematically.. i have now reached the dreaded november 1st, 2011 watchtower & am sitting in front of a copy of cartes du ciel and a babylonian calendar converter i found at http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/babylon/babycal_converter.htm.

i realise these claims have been challenged and documented in depth elsewhere, but i'm keen to do my own research rather than copy & paste.

my question is regarding date conversion - when inputting the gregorian dates as given at the bottom of the tablet's translation i found at http://www.caeno.org/pdf/f019_translation.pdf then the lunar positions all seemed pretty close (visually, i wasn't dealing with exact degrees here).

CharlieSmith1975

Why JWs suddenly like the VAT4956? This is beyond belief. It's a FLUKE! What happened was that in Line 3, there is a reference to the "Moon being 1 cubit in front of the Rear Foot of the Lion (GIR ar sa UR-A)" That was falsely translated by Hunger as "1 cubit in front of beta-Virginis." This reference does is not a match for 568 BC and is so noted by the translators. But by strange and unfortunate coincidence, the moon is in that position in 588 BC! So now, all of a sudden, the WTS likes the VAT4956 since they can claim that there is a lunar match for Line 3 for 588 BC. And it is, but only coincidentally so. Why?

Because hermann Hunger lies about the star assignment in Line 3. Line 3 is a reference to the "Rear Foot of the Lion" meaning the rear foot of Leo, which is SIGMA-LEONIS, not beta-Virginis. Lines 14 and 18 prove that beta-Virginis in this text is called the "Bright Star Behind the Lion's Foot" (MUL KUR sa TiL GIR UR-A). Thus line 3 and lines 14 and 18 refer to two different stars. The Bright Star Behind the Lions Foot is beta-Virginis. But the Rear Foot of the Lion is sigma-Leonis, the natural rear foot of Leo. So when this was pointed out to Herman Hunger who translated this text, he had to admit he was wrong and he had to correct this.

The CORRECTION for Line 3 is to assign the "Rear Foot of the Lion" (GIR ar sa UR-A) to the proper rear foot of Leo, which is sigma-Leonis. So actually, the text match for Line 3 would be the moon 1 cubit in front of sigma-Leonis and not "beta-Virginis" as Hunger incorrectly states. Thus the WTS who jumped onto claiming there was a match for Line 3 in 588 BCE, have matched the wrong star based on Hunger's error. They found a coincidental match for the moon 1 cubit in front of beta-Virginis in a text that actually requires a match to 1 cubit in front of sigma-Leonis. So the WTS only found a coincidental match based on Hunger's lies and deceptions in the translation and star assignments. But when this is corrected, of course, the match evaporates.

But what does that matter when the 70 years begin in year 23 rather than year 18? 607 BCE is wrong and 588 BC is wrong academically and fundamentally, long before the errors and misrepresentations in the VAT4956 by Hunger come into play.

Bottom line, dealing with the VAT4956 is very complex and ends up being a very big joke if you don't correct the transliteration, which most are clueless to do.

The VAT4956 doesn't happen to work for 607 BCE, but you can dismiss that date as a total false date using the Bible, which begins the 70 years in year 23, or using Josephus who also begins the 70 years in year 23, not year 18.

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Flogging the Vat 4956 horse

by MightierThanTheSword in

i'm just curious about something & wonder if the experts could help.. basically i am documenting all of the main lines of evidence for the jws being the one & then investigating each claim systematically.. i have now reached the dreaded november 1st, 2011 watchtower & am sitting in front of a copy of cartes du ciel and a babylonian calendar converter i found at http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/babylon/babycal_converter.htm.

i realise these claims have been challenged and documented in depth elsewhere, but i'm keen to do my own research rather than copy & paste.

my question is regarding date conversion - when inputting the gregorian dates as given at the bottom of the tablet's translation i found at http://www.caeno.org/pdf/f019_translation.pdf then the lunar positions all seemed pretty close (visually, i wasn't dealing with exact degrees here).

CharlieSmith1975

588 BC is a JOKE because the 70 years Josephus talks about begin in year 23, the year of the last deportation. The WTS knows this! They know the 70 years begin with the last deportation. The "poor people" who spend 70 years in exile off the land are the last people moved off the land. The land cannot begin to pay back its sabbaths for 70 years until all the people are off the land! That did not occur until year 23 because those who ran down to Egypt returned to Judea for a short whlie. So the land was not desolate until after they left in year 23.

JW get 607 BCE by adding 70 years to 537 BCE and claim that year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar is the year Jerusalem fell and thus 607 BCE and year 18 are the same year. But that's just not the case. the 70 years don't begin until the last deportation. People were left in the land after Jerusalem was burned down by the Babylonians. The land had to be completely desolate to begin the 70 years. That did not begin until year 23.

So let me QUOTE:

Josephus, Antiquities 9:7 "7. And when they were there, God signified to the prophet that the king of Babylon was about making an expedition against the Egyptians, and commanded him to foretell to the people that Egypt should be taken, and the king of Babylon should slay some of them and, should take others captive, and bring them to Babylon; which things came to pass accordingly; for on the fifth year after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the twenty-third of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, he made an expedition against Celesyria; and when he had possessed himself of it, he made war against the Ammonites and Moabites; and when he had brought all these nations under subjection, he fell upon Egypt, in order to overthrow it; and he slew the king that then reigned (16) and set up another; and he took those Jews that were there captives, and led them away to Babylon. And such was the end of the nation of the Hebrews, as it hath been delivered down to us, it having twice gone beyond Euphrates; for the people of the ten tribes were carried out of Samaria by the Assyrians, in the days of king Hoshea; after which the people of the two tribes that remained after Jerusalem was taken [were carried away] by Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon and Chaldea. Now as to Shalmanezer, he removed the Israelites out of their country, and placed therein the nation of the Cutheans, who had formerly belonged to the inner parts of Persia and Media, but were then called Samaritans, by taking the name of the country to which they were removed; but the king of Babylon, who brought out the two tribes, (17) placed no other nation in their country, by which means all Judea and Jerusalem, and the temple, continued to be a desert for seventy years; but the entire interval of time which passed from the captivity of the Israelites, to the carrying away of the two tribes, proved to be a hundred and thirty years, six months, and ten days."

Jeremiah 44:14 and 28 clearly says that a remnant of those who ran down to Egypt would return to Judea. That means there were inhabitants as late as year 23! So that is when the 70 years must begin, year 23! Not year 18. So 607 BC is out as ever being the year Jerusalem fell. It's just that simple.

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Flier on "Day and Week of Christ's Death" to be mailed out to Kingdom Halls this week!

by CharlieSmith1975 in

the tricky thing about a mass mailing to all the kingdom halls is that mail is often not delivered to the kingdom hall but to a po box.

it is super easy to get all the addresses to hundreds of kingdom halls across the country and even have those addresses printed out for you as labels!

but when i did that before i got about a third of them back.

CharlieSmith1975

Steve, thanks for the feedback!

steve211 minutes ago

Oh man Charlie you are so caught up in the organization fulfilling scripture that you are the mirror image of JW dogmatism. Like all "true" believers, you seek not feedback but agreement with your beliefs and methods.

Ultimately, all you succeed in doing is feeding the JW persecution complex.

Answer me just this ONE question. The Bible says Jesus was in the grave THREE NIGHTS. If he rose on a Saturday night, then two nights earlier are Friday night and Thursday night. So, there's no issue, right/ He has to die on a Thursday. In 33 CE, Thursday, Nisan 20th, was a day of preparation. Jesus dies on a day of preparation. So to me, it's a done deal at this point. The Jews left on the 15th after passover so Jesus was arrested on the 15th after Passover. That's NON-NEGOTIABLE. So this is a done deal. Jesus has to die on Thursday, nisan 20th, and the gospels are all in harmony on this. This is about vindicating the gospels. The WTS gets it wrong and then makes it seem like some Biblical references are false. Jehovah didn't give them this light because they are cast out.

Thanks for your feedback. But yes, I do believe the Bible and I'm a total fundamentalist. But I have lots and lots of support for my conclusions. I did my OWN research.

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Flier on "Day and Week of Christ's Death" to be mailed out to Kingdom Halls this week!

by CharlieSmith1975 in

the tricky thing about a mass mailing to all the kingdom halls is that mail is often not delivered to the kingdom hall but to a po box.

it is super easy to get all the addresses to hundreds of kingdom halls across the country and even have those addresses printed out for you as labels!

but when i did that before i got about a third of them back.

CharlieSmith1975

You guys are right. This is way, way too intellectual for the average witness or even elder who really don't even know what the WTS teaches about this! Maybe the flier will relate to 10% of those who actually read it. But the GB and the Writing Committee will totally understand this.

C

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Flier on "Day and Week of Christ's Death" to be mailed out to Kingdom Halls this week!

by CharlieSmith1975 in

the tricky thing about a mass mailing to all the kingdom halls is that mail is often not delivered to the kingdom hall but to a po box.

it is super easy to get all the addresses to hundreds of kingdom halls across the country and even have those addresses printed out for you as labels!

but when i did that before i got about a third of them back.

CharlieSmith1975

Island Man5 hours ago

Actually, the bible does teach that Jesus died on Friday.

Thanks, Island man. Relevant here is John 19:31 "Since it was the day of Preparation,+ so that the bodies would not remain on the torture stakes+ on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath day was a great one),+ the Jews asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken away. "

The Jews celebrated special holidays as sabbath days. They called these special sabbath days "great sabbaths" or "high sabbaths." During Passover week, there were two mandated "high sabbaths" or "great sabbaths": one was Nisan 15th (the 1st day of UFC) and the second was Nisan 21st (the 7th day of UFC).

But normally, as you note, any day of "preparation" falls on a Friday and thus on casual reading it would seem Jesus died on a Friday, a normal day of preparation of the normal sabbath. But this sabbath was not a regular sabbath, it was a "great sabbath" or a "high sabbath" of passover. So during this week, that would be narrowed down to Nisan 14th or Nisan 20th. Nisan 14th fell on a Friday in 33 CE. Nisan 20th fell on a Thursday in 33 CE. Since Jesus isn't even arrested until Nisan 15th, the day the Jews leave Egypt, there is no way he could have died on Nisan 14th. The question is, whether he died on the following Friday, Nisan 21st? The answer is no. Because that Friday, Nisan 21st, was the special sabbath of the 7th day of UFC. So the next preparation day that week was a preparation day for the passover sabbath, not the regular sabbath. That is why John 19:14 says "preparation for passover" meaning preparation for one of the passover "high sabbaths" and not a regular sabbath.

So the academic point here is that every day of "preparation" is not automatically at Friday. If there is a holiday or a "high sabbath" then preparation will precede that day. In 33 CE, the next day of preparation after Jesus' arrest on Nisan 15th was Thursday, Nisan 20th. So just because Jesus died on a day of "preparation" does not mean it was necessarily a Friday, if it was associated with a high sabbath, which it was.

Thanks for at least taking time to look into this and bring this up. There is no way to get around a Thursday because of the "three nights" and no way to get around Nisan 20th because the 21st fell on a Friday.

Regards.

Charlie

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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015

by Doug Mason in

a collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".

http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .

doug.

CharlieSmith1975

Tell me more about this Lars-Jesus guy "nutcase." Does he claim to BE Jesus or just claims he saw Jesus and Daniel in some alley one day? Here's my picture on Holloween last year. Does he look like me?

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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015

by Doug Mason in

a collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".

http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .

doug.

CharlieSmith1975

leaving_quietly4 hours ago

Someone on another thread wondered if CharlieSmith1975 was actually Larsinger58. The writing style seems similar, as does the points made. Lars used to say the same stuff as CharlieSmith1975 is posting. He used to talk about being part of the secret society know as the Knights Templar and believed some would remain alive throughout time.//

Oh, I see what you're saying. You're saying Larsguy/Larry, etc paid Charlie to post his propaganda. Hmm, wish I'd thought of that!

You know, you can get practically anybody to set up an email address and an account and get them to post your information for them. That person can be a real person and just not care if you use their identity or if you post under their name.

But what does it matter? How many fake IDs does the FBI use to pretend to be real people while watching these discussion boards? How many other fake identities are on this board? Plus the board supports anonymity. Lots of witnesses might get in trouble if their congregations knew what they were up to on this board, looking for truth, asking questions... being apostate.

I used to put a lot of letters in a big envelope and mail them to the Postmaster in another city far away and have the postmaster mail out the letters from another part of the country so the postmark wouldn't give the WTS a clue where the information originated from.

You know, crack addicts always need another $10! Most of them have established e-mails and web addresses, etc. So I have been known to pay them to post information for me. Then when they check that person they find out he's some rapper with no connection to the witnesses at all, but their name is on lots of my propaganda.

But you know, JESUS used to do that all the time himself. He'd keep disguising himself to fool his disciples until some of the clever ones would guess, by something he did that it was him. He had a unique style or a special message they recognized. So ultimately, while it was a lot of fun, the disguises only worked for a short while.

Doesn't seem much has changed in all that time, does it?

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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015

by Doug Mason in

a collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".

http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .

doug.

CharlieSmith1975

DOUG

//Have you studied how the Bible came to be assembled? Have you looked at the different lists of books that make up the Bible ? Why is it that Paul's writings and philosophies dominate the NT?//

I told you why? John and Paul never died.

Ever hear of the Templars? They are a real secret society. Real people. Guess what they are looking for? They say the "holy grail" which is linked to the chalice, which is linked to John. Their story for the public is that they are looking for the holy grail, the royal bloodline and all that. But who they are looking for is John! Apparently the Templars discovered that John and a congregation of others along with many records were hiding under the temple. They reported this to the Vatican who then commissioned them to collect John, of course and all those records. Those records were genealogy records of individuals who needed to prove their ancestry back to the original founders of the 10 tribes of Israel. That's because the 144,000 have to be made up of 12,000 from each of the tribes and there is no way to accomplish that unless the 12 tribes of Israel were re--born in modern times. So those with genealogy records in Jesus' day, individuals, were chosen never to die so that they could marry into indigenous populations in modern times and reconstruct the 12 tribes of Israel, out of which 12K each would be chosen to be part of the anointed. The 144,000 represent these chosen ones from the descendants of Christians from Jesus' day who had their lineage papers. But the 144,000 just make up the "root" of the entire tree, 1/10th (Isa. 6:13), so the rest of the tree is made up of gentiles, so that the total number of the elect is 1,440,000.

At any rate, John and this congregation and all those records have been on the run ever since then. So it is ironic that the average person might not believe that John is still alive and Paul is still alive, but the existence of the Templars tends to suggest that they found John at some point and their quest to find him, their quest to find the "holy grail" is really about finding him and those genealogy records. So the main reason for having some from Jesus day live down to our time is so that the 12 tribes of Israel could be reborn again in modern times, which it has been. In that way, 12K from each tribe can be sealed into the kingdom to fulfill prophecy. But I suppose Jesus chose John and Mary never to die as well. What a story they all have to tell living down through time. Always having to move. Always being secretive, especially with the Templars on their tails. Plus having to find somewhere to store all those records. At last report, those records were said to fill up several wagons. Now that is what is really going on in the secret world.

So it doesn't leave me much room when you start talking about texts and revisions and the canon, because I know John and Paul would have made sure to protect the canon and the Scriptures. They did. The bible we have does what it is supposed to do. The claim is that it has been revised extensively but there is no evidence of that. What few clear indications of that tolerated or ignored but it doesn't change the fundamental teachings of scripture. The Bible is amazing and wonderful. Some look to the Bible for its light and others are searching for all the darkness they can find, and God grants them that. That's another issue here. Those seeking and loving darkness are granted that darkness. Those in the light can't be tolerated by those of the darkness.

My official position is. By no means believe a word I say. That won't cost you. But if you doubt the Bible, you think the Bible is not a book of truth, then that will cost you. The Bible says John, Mary and Paul would never die. If you don't believe that miracle. Fine. So I'm just mocking you when I tell you I've seen them. Because I know it's too hard to believe, even though it is true. It is actually true!

But then there is the ultimate fact we have to face. That is, that apparently God isn't that concerned about everybody knowing everything. He shares his secrets with his select ones and leaves the majority of people in the dark until his own time. That's his way. That's the way of Christ. To speak in parables that had a special meaning for his followers but meant nothing to outsiders.

That's what is going on now. People think the bible is not true, there is no God and nothing is being fulfilled. But in fact, EVERYTHING is being fulfilled. And that includes the fact that some during Jesus' day would not die until he returns and per Bible chronology he doesn't return until 2520 years after the fall of Jerusalem, whether you date that to 529 BC, 587 BC or 607 BC, that's still 2520 years away from dates in the 6th Century BC!

I'm a bright light in a dark world a world of people who run from me because they hate the light and love darkness. I'm talking now. Wait until the "magic" starts, right? This is the end of the world time. Time for God to rock-n-roll again like he did in Noah's day!

(oh, excuse me, time for my medication. Gotta run!)

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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015

by Doug Mason in

a collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".

http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .

doug.

CharlieSmith1975

Those NT writers (and editors/redactors) thought they were living at the very last of the Last Days, with the imminent divine intervention in prospect - in their own time, during "this generation". An example is at Revelation 22:7, 12, 20: "I am coming soon."

Doug, I totally hear you on this and am truly not offering any contradiction to that position. But this is a JW discussion board. JWs are into chronology. They believe that the "7 times" prophecy dates the 2nd coming 2520 years after the fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE, thus in 1914. If you want to use the 587 BC secular date for the fall of Jerusalem, then you are looking at 1934, which is a date nobody wants to look at.

Your point being, that there were two groups during this time. One group who were expected to survive and still be alive when Christ came and another group who would die off and need to be resurrected. So it is not that easy to say "this generation" and apply normal lifespans. That is, it was clear many would die and have to be resurrected. What about their generation? Was Christ just talking about the younger ones who would still be alive when he returns? But the fact that many would die and need to be resurrected who lived normal life spans in the 1st century is consistent with Christ coming long after their normal lifespan. Turns out it was over 1900 years later.

Remember when Jesus told John to take care of Mary? He said to Mary, this is your son, and to John, this is your mother. Mary had other sons. John was Mary's nephew. Do you really know what he was saying? He was saying that Mary would be chosen among those who would never die along with his beloved John. Thus over the centuries, John and Mary would be together and take care of each other. Mary is still alive. I met her at the Kingdom Hall, in fact. So I'm living in a different world than you. I'm in a spiritual world which you cannot understand. Everything I tell you will seem like nonsense.

Now, whether I'm jerking your chain or delusional or both, one fact remains and it is all I have to offer. Since what I tell you is the truth and real, there is absolutely no way possible for you to disprove it. All you can do is disbelieve and call names and wait for Armageddon.

Now this is the basic plan. God appears to the elect first and his secret followers. Then later on he appears to the world and they start to believe when the miracles begin, because they can't accept what is prophesied in the Bible. They can't. In fact God says he will make it so unbelievable they won't believe it even if it is explained to them in detail. That's what is going on here.

For he that has much, more will be given. For he that has nothing, that will be taken away. So for the believers, those with faith to move mountains, we get to see the miracles. We get to meet Mary and John and Paul. We get to understand scripture. For the scorners and outsiders, if they were doubters yesterday, God makes sure he stumbles them into darkness today. If God has led them blind to a high cliff yesterday, the returned Christ comes and pushes them over today. There is no one in the middle now. When the angels of death come, they won't have to hesitate one second because those who are not marked are no longer borderliners.

But this is all academic. If it turns out that yes, John, Mary, and Paul are indeed still alive, and maintaining some critical ancient texts and artifacts, mind you, then I'll just be vindicated. But I can't possibly expect you to believe a miracle at this point. But the miracles are coming, culminating with Armageddon. That's when I'll be vindicated. In the meantime, you're just reflecting you don't believe the Bible is true and I'm reflecting that I do. God is watching us both.

BTW, do you believe in God or are you an atheist? Anyway, thanks for your work at exposing JWs. Christ says he who is not against me is for me. So since he also hates the WTS, I guess you and he have something in common. So carry on!

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Flier on "Day and Week of Christ's Death" to be mailed out to Kingdom Halls this week!

by CharlieSmith1975 in

the tricky thing about a mass mailing to all the kingdom halls is that mail is often not delivered to the kingdom hall but to a po box.

it is super easy to get all the addresses to hundreds of kingdom halls across the country and even have those addresses printed out for you as labels!

but when i did that before i got about a third of them back.

CharlieSmith1975

First you're predicting a date for the end; second you're elevating the Watchtower to a position where they are an actual fulfillment of certain scriptures.

Why not throw in the Mormons and the Apostolic Reformation? There are other religions that are authoritarian and absurd so why should God focus on just the Witnesses?

OK. Let me try to be brief. Why JWs? A picture tells a thousand words, right? How about this?

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/russell_c/pyramid_monument.html

Russel is buried under a seeing-eye Satanic pyramid, the same pyramid you find on the dollar bill linked with Freemasonry. The Bible says the WTS was infiltrated early on by Freemasons and the Illuminati. Remember when Russell firs started? It was all about ZIONISM. They didn't collect any money. Why? They had a backer. Who backed them? The Jews did. B'nai-B'rith. Why do you think the Nazis focused on JWs as spies? Because they taught about a paradise earth and believed in Jesus? No. It was because of their known links to the Jewish underground.

Now quickly switch channels. The Bible says after Christ established Christianity that there would be an apostasy and that for a while there would be no temple recognized, that is, no Christian organization that would be considered the temple. This absence of a temple, though, was linked to chronology: 2300 evenings and mornings. And evening and morning is one day so this means 1150 years out of a period of 1260 years ending in 1996 (don't ask, smile). Anyway, going back 1260 years from 1996 gets us to 736 AD, around the time the Catholic Church finally organized all the churches and they instituted Easter Sunday in place of Passover. The churches stopped celebrating the Lord's Supper on Passover. This would last for 1150 years during which time there would be no temple sect. But the "temple in its right condition" would be recognized after the 1150 years, meaning around 1886 for 110 years up to 1996. That is 1996 minus 110 is also 1886. So what happened in 1886? That was the beginning of a new religion. That was the year the first "Studies in the Scriptures" was published by the WTS.

So yes, believe it or not, on a spiritual level, Jehovah's witnesses would be the organization to preach the good news and through which the second coming messiah would appear, even though in the end, their governing body would become apostate. So far from a non-mention, they are mentioned more than any other religion. The WTS and it's governing body fulfill:

1. The evil slave

2. The sluggish slave.

4. They are the "man of lawlessness" who rise up in God's own house, that house being JWs.

5 They are the lamb-dragon beast that comes out of the earth. Which means they are the false prophet also.

6. The parable about the vineyard workers is about the WTS.

7. The parable about the "rich man and Lazarus" is about them.

8. The parable about the ten virgins is about them.

9. When compared to the Jews, they are the "lesser number" and the "few." The Jews are the "greater number" and the many. But note the HOLOCAUST. Focused on the Jews. Focused on the "holy ones" but look who is right there being persecuted with them? JWs!

So whether you get it or not, they are very, very, very much a part of Bible prophecy and the 2nd coming and all that.

When it says, "the good news will be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the END will come." That is about NH Knorr going on a worldwide speaking tour early in 1947. The "end" came on November 30, 1947 when the Jews got their homeland back. So the "end" was not Armageddon, but the true "end of the gentile times" and, indeed, the good news was worldwide by then from just one congregation in the late 1880's! They fulfill all of that!

When the Bible says that Jesus is impaled in "Sodom and Egypt" at the time of the second coming, Sodom and Egypt represent the partnership of the WTS and the UN, the WTS representing "sodom" and the UN "Egypt" relating to the Egyptian Mysteries and the Illuminati and all that. Ironic the WTS headquarters are linked to Sodom, but we have heard about the problem with homosexuality at Bethel so maybe it is much worse than we think. Anyway, they try to prevent the second coming with the help of the UN. They manage to do that for 3.5 days. The 2nd coming was supposed to occur on the day of the winter solstice on December 21, 1992, but it was prevented with the help of the WTS who identified for the UN the Christ. So Jehovah killed Fred Franz the next day on the 22nd of December, 1992. Look it up. The 2nd coming occurred 3.5 days later as prophesied on December 25, 1992. So basically, the first Jesus comes through the tribe of Judah and King David through the natural Jews. But when Christ returns the second time he comes through "spiritual Israel" meaning JWs, the temple organization. That's why so many prophecies relate to them, because they become the evil slave and the antichrist.

Okay. I've said nothing. Just wanted to let you know what happens at the spiritual level. The WTS is the focus of what is going on in the spiritual world, only now they are about to be destroyed with the rest of Christendom. They belong to Satan now. Everything has happend as prophesied. Everything!