Posts by quest81

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Many Member Just Want to Believe

by OnTheWayOut in

if you are/were an active jw, you are now here on jwn so, for whatever your reasons, you woke up to some degree- hopefully a great degree.

so what i am saying may not apply to you.. i know that if i had not already left, i would have stormed out on the day they studied "overlapping generation.

" i am quite confident i couldn't have stayed for such an obvious switcharoo just to make the end seem imminent and try to explain how wts was wrong, but not entirely wrong in the past.. but i had to wonder how that change (or others) didn't cause most jw's to walk out.

quest81

OnTheWayOut: I can relate to your frustration in trying to get TTATT through to your spouse. I am in similar situation as yourself and Nickolas though I have always been an UBM. The hardest part for me is watching the love of my life get guilted, manipulated and give away her ability to think for herself to some delusional men with a God complex. Like you I have a fermenting need to show my spouse that she has been deceived for so long, after reading the requisite material (Hassan et al) I realize now that love, patience and opportunity (to ask questions) are the keywords.

One other thing I am learning to do is to listen, cognitive dissonance is quite the interesting phenomenon, people let out a lot of their subconscious thoughts in things they say when their guard is down - listen to her.

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DirecTV -- why also Roku, Chromecast, etc.?

by FatFreek 2005 in

we already have directv as one of its earliest subscribers (1994).

we have always had their latest dvrs(where we can skip commercials, pause, slo mo, resume, etc), have their premier insurance for all our hardware, and have their basic entertainment package, including movies, sports, family and music channels -- some over 150 channels that include local channels.

no premium channels.. i hear folks talking how they love those set top boxes (sticks, dongles, etc) that don't cost an arm and a leg -- a one time charge -- and can forever stream movies and programs.

quest81

FatFreek2005: If you are looking to cut down on your sat TV bill or simply increase the hub of your entertainment sources, streaming devices are a must have. Not only will they improve content available to you, they also offer flexibility of where to watch desired content. For instance, you can simply plug in a Chromecast dongle into the HDMI port of an older non-smart TV (with no apps) and be ready to watch stuff from Netflix cast from your phone or tablet in your kitchen while you cook. This is definitely cheaper than getting another DirecTV client which you'd have to pay monthly subscriptions for.

That said though, the best content will require subscriptions so I guess you will have to do the math on what you really need. Most TVs and blu-ray players these days come pre-loaded with the most popular apps to stream content (Netflix, Amazon Instant, Hulu, YouTube etc).

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Many Member Just Want to Believe

by OnTheWayOut in

if you are/were an active jw, you are now here on jwn so, for whatever your reasons, you woke up to some degree- hopefully a great degree.

so what i am saying may not apply to you.. i know that if i had not already left, i would have stormed out on the day they studied "overlapping generation.

" i am quite confident i couldn't have stayed for such an obvious switcharoo just to make the end seem imminent and try to explain how wts was wrong, but not entirely wrong in the past.. but i had to wonder how that change (or others) didn't cause most jw's to walk out.

quest81

I have put forward evidence and arguments that are devastating in their clarity and logic but they bounce harmlessly off her faith. While I watch myself grow older in the mirror I have come to accept that I will not get through to the love of my life. Not entirely resignation. There is also the "be careful what you wish for" aspect of things. If I managed to get through and the light went on inside her head the possibility of unintended consequences is considerable. I think she is one of those people who need faith to be happy. If those people lose their faith and for the first time in their lives clearly perceive the oblivion that awaits them it might just be beyond bearing. Perhaps terrifying. It's a corollary to the canard that faith is good because it gives one hope.

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What the Watchtower teaches, how it controls the thoughts of its adherents, is a variation on a common theme. A particularly insidious variation, to be sure, but a matter only of degree. Some of the most ardent critics of the Watchtower, including many of those frequenting this forum, steadfastly cling to a less strident variation of the very same faith espoused by the Watchtower.

Nickolas: That's deep, but I hear you.

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From 1 to 10, how do you rate the value of the Internet in your awakening?

by Hidden-Window in

jw
friends

as we all know, the internet is a real game-changer in allowing us to know the truth about the watch tower and its history.

i always had doubts and it was the internet that presented me with the ever-growing number of individuals who were going through a similar struggle.. i give the internet a 9 in my awakening.

what about you?.

quest81

Solid 10.

All the things I had had reservations about and found to be 'off' were unearthed for me from the internet. All the books I needed to learn history and insight I found or heard about online.

Those that figured out TTATT before the internet or without it, I salute you!

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses A Cult?

by What Now? in

i came across a great quote.... the distinction between cult and religion lies squarely in how those leaving or those wanting to leave are treated.. hits the nail on the head for me!.

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quest81

Do they dress peculiarly in the name of service?
Do they forbid adherents from participating in social and community activities with reasons often blanketed in phrases such as "because it has pagan origins"
Do they demand copious amounts of time to promote their agenda for free with no consideration for circumstances?
Do they have to follow predefined rhetoric when addressing matters of faith?
Do WT women know why they are forbidden from reading material such as the Elder's Book?
Do practising JWs really know the balance sheets for their constantly required 'donations'?
Do practising JWs always know when the WTS procures real estate?
Do practising JWs know the types of corporations the WTS has invested in?
Do practising JWs know how their governing body (deliberate lower case) is selected?
Do practising JWs really know why prominent leadership that left the organization did so from independent sources of information?

Food for thought.

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The Abandoned Husband

by compound complex in

not of your own accord would you slip away and leave this fragile and wounded man unattended.

i love you deeply, but, i admit, erratically.

my flaws are manifold.

quest81

I feel your pain.

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Looking for Truth with a capital "T"?

by Terry in

jw
friends

stop begging for crumbs like a pigeon in the park!.

nobody anywhere has truth tied up with a red ribbon to hand to you so you.

can go skipping down the road with a smile!.

quest81

Terry: This is brutally honest but good

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husbands

by zeb in

have you found that,.

the longer she stays 'in' the greater her sense of entitlement?.

that any convo immediately reverts to the wt 'party line'.

quest81

zeb: I can relate to your second and last points. I couldn't understand some of the odd terms my wife started throwing in our everyday conversations. Things like 'we should keep our eye simple', 'I am an imperfect being', news broadcasts - 'it's a sign of the end of this system of things' etc. I didn't get the concept of loaded language until recently. I found it mildly to downright absurdly irritating how she would always have an opinion about everything and plaster 'Borg speeak' in almost every discussion. Now I can see why people kept their distance from us sometimes.

The planning things around borg schedules drove me up the wall before, now I simply don't care. If I feel like doing something I go ahead and do it regardless of when its convenient for the deceptive zealot schedule.

The genuinely sad part is how an otherwise intelligent mature woman gets her mind manipulated to the point she mentally regresses to an 8 year old!

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crisis of conscience

by venting in

jw
friends

if you were going to skip some parts of this book which ones would they be?

whats the best part?

i know i sound lazy, but i can't read this in bed next to my wife.

quest81

I agree with reading it all. I am not a JW but had always wondered how the propaganda was disseminated and controlled. Why they did things the way they do and all that. It's wordy granted but it was worth reading every page, the copies of literature and letters included cement its authenticity.

Read ALL of it - it will give you a LOT of insight.

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NOT on JW.org: Huffington Post interview with Director of new movie about Jehovahs' Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

by Balaamsass2 in

danielle tumminio become a fan .

episcopal priest, life coach, and author of 'god and harry potter at yale'.

email.

quest81

Just looked up the trailer below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nqYtzDaGE