Posts by eyefell4it2

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Translating and deciphering witness expressions.

by stuckinarut2 in

i wanted to start a thread with correct explanations of what witnesses really mean when they say stuff... please add to it!.

"we missed you at the last meeting" = "where were you?

why did you miss a meeting!?".

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New Light = blindly accept this change without questioning why or how

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Church of Almighty God in China

by southwest in

it's interesting to look at the beliefs of this cult in china from a jw perspective:.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eastern_lightning.

and the response of the chinese government to the recent murder by members of the group:.

eyefell4it2

I learn something new (and disturbing) daily.

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First Time Post - Long time reader

by Samaritan At the Well in

today is my first post on jwd, i was one of jehovahs witness for almost 50 years of my life, i was born into the religion.

i was baptized at a young age and once i got married i was a very spiritual woman as they would call me.

my husband and i served as full time pioneers, we traveled abroad and went to international conventions, did some special pioneer service in other states in the us.

Congrats and I truly understand your fear and I deeply respect you for taking an open and honest look at the cult/religion. Though I have been out for 10 years, certain fears still resonate with me such as what if I am seen Xmas shopping or taking a toke on a cigarette outside of a restaurant and word gets back to my parents or their associates in the congregation (I was a born in as is my mother, and my father converted when he was in high school). I even delete this website from my history in case my computer messes up (one of my dad's professional skills is fixing computers and he has had to work with my computers to update the anti-virus software and such). I know it was a blow to realize TTATT but you are better for it. I read Crisis myself and it completely opened my eyes. Even though I had been out for YEARS, I was still DEVASTATED to discover that the thoughts that had quietly lurked in my heart and mind all this time had valid roots. But it also freed me from the fear of Armageddon coming in and tearing me from my parents simply because a group of men decided I was not meant to be in their "religion" with no regard to the multiple appeals and letters I wrote (alone, pregnant and scared). Now my life feels better and though I still have fears, no longer am I trapped because I don't buy into that group's thinking and for once I am actually enjoying my life with my husband and our children. It gets easier and you will begin to feel better once you live your life free of their false doctrines.

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JW making music videos now?

by adjusted knowledge in

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i'm not sure if this is new since it is hard to keep up with the ever changing jw.

it is morphing so much.

i went to jw.org tv video for november and around 53 or 54 minutes into the broadcast the gb guy introduce a music video called "we won't forget you".

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@pronomono absolutely a classic and quite entertaining too!

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Small (tiny) victories

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

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i had a conversation with my wife today about child abuse as it's in the news, and i managed to slip in the fact that wt (not an individual, but the .org itself) has just been ruled against in the states to the tune of 13 million or so.

she knows i'm opposed to the procedures we have in place, and she can definitely see that it makes sense to go straight to the police, and said she would do immediately if it were our children.

we had a fairly local case where the elders positively marched the offender to the station themselves, and good for them for doing so, but she most likely thinks everyone would do that out of common sense.

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Applause to you for having this convo. When I tried to speak with my father subtly about the lawsuit, he stated the same ramble the R&F probably have been indoctrinated to believe "there are bad people in all organizations." He seemed to imply an indifferent attitude to the matter and quickly got off the phone. Hopefully I planted a seed for him to further research the issue so he can understand just how involved in this matter the members of the Borg in NY are. Also sadly interesting to be seeing the worldwide trend of this issue. Hopefully as a father and grandfather of several girls and young women, he will start to recognize this and maybe do his own independent research. Like you said, the TINY victories....

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newbie to site looking for fellow DF's and DA's (or anyone else who has good conversation to offer)

by eyefell4it2 in

i am new to the site.

i started perusing it this weekend and wish i had found it 10 years ago when i was on my way out.

anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though i had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues.

eyefell4it2

Greetings again!

I appreciate all of the support everyone has shown and thank you guys! One thing I have found particularly interesting is the Bethel llife forums. I used to want to go to Bethel but when I went to visit it felt like everyone was a like an Android or something. Fake smiles and all. Fortunately I didn't go that route and I am so glad I didn't.

To those that have read the forums about Bethel, what did you find most interesting or shocking?

For me it was the hint about homosexuality and partner swapping that occurred. I often wondered how a group of single men coped with no women or how married couples truly interacted and I am happy to know they are still human with fleshly desires just like the rest of us but saddened that they feel so repressed by the Org that they hide their true selves or even engage in behaviors out of frustration because they can't know themselves. Wasn't sure if I had to start a new topic to get that question answered but I just wanted to put it out there. Anyone else's comments on that matter are certainly welcomed and appreciated!

@Scary21 I completely understand the whole born in thing and I often find those born-in have a harder time adjusting to life outside the Org than those who weren't born in. Its almost like a rebirth of sorts, so liberating when you feel free enough to celebrate holidays or go to other churches and find the Demons and Satan don't swallow you up or God doesn't smite you with Fire like you were taught to feel about those things! Thank you for making me feel so welcome!

@Koky.soon3 I completely understand that co-dependent feeling. If you ever want to talk, I am here. I won't judge or try to force you to leave because we each must be responsible for our own self. Private message me if you wanna chat!

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newbie to site looking for fellow DF's and DA's (or anyone else who has good conversation to offer)

by eyefell4it2 in

i am new to the site.

i started perusing it this weekend and wish i had found it 10 years ago when i was on my way out.

anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though i had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues.

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@BigMac Greetings! I find it astonishing that so many JWs worldwide have the same thoughts, issues and concerns regarding JWs. I also find it refreshing we can all meet here! Thank you for your welcome

@AlwaysBusy Thank you for responding! I feel horrible that you and your family had to experience that and I hope this forum has helped you in your healing. I am happy to be able to speak to you and I wish you and your family the best. It is shocking to me they had the gall to DF you! I hate the hypocrisy and the "org before individual" mentality it promotes. They have done so much damage to people emotionally over the years and I suffered from depression for years. It does help to have like minds to speak to without feeling as though you are being condemed for your feelings.

@BlackFalcon are you active because you want to be, have to be or other reasons? (You don't have to answer if you don't want to). I know the world publisher is misleading as those who actually publish the rubbish probably don't believe any of it and yet you are expected to peddle it to someone with your full support without questioning it.

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newbie to site looking for fellow DF's and DA's (or anyone else who has good conversation to offer)

by eyefell4it2 in

i am new to the site.

i started perusing it this weekend and wish i had found it 10 years ago when i was on my way out.

anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though i had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues.

eyefell4it2

@Honesty

Thank you! And to answer your questions, I absolutely do not believe they have the truth. I have found that all religions have flaws but they are not all Evil. I found myself lost one time after going through a bad experience and making a hard decision, I was lost because I needed someone to speak to. Since I wasn't a JW, I went to a Catholic church (gasp) and went into a confessional. Let me just say that it was an extremely eye-opening experience. He did not condemn me for what I had done and even offered me some practical ways to recover from the trauma of that particular situation. I even occasionally attend Catholic services just because of that very thing. In fact, I go to the church to pray and love being surrounded by "sinners" who openly have a sanctuary to pray and reflect in. Had I been a JW, I would probably have committed suicide (I had a JW friend who did) as knowing my actions were not in line with their organization. Even though I think Catholics have some things wrong in their doctrine (and I am not judging them at all when I say that), just the response I recieved convinced me all my years of disliking and avoiding catholics had no merit. They offered me more in those 30 minutes than 20 years of JWs and the Borg ever did! I am even considering putting my daughter in a Catholic school if I ever have to change school systems because I feel at ease with them. I agree re the marriage thing as well. When I saw my husband for the first time, ANGELS SUNG in my heart. I u-turned my car and the rest is sweet history . I am so happy to not be a JW because I would undoubtedly be stuck in a loveless, sexless marriage. To boil this point even more, I briefly married my daughter's father (being pushed into it by my JW fam and his). He began physically abusing me, cheating, and even left me high and dry (he drained our acct and dipped!!!!) Broken, my father reccomended some elders come to see me for a shepharding call (he explained they could come to see DF'd JWS who expressed sincere repentance). What did they do? Try to force their mind numbing doctrine down my throat and even implied that if we come to the KH, all will get fixed and that I deserved what I got for leaving the Borg! I immediately sought counseling, divorced him (against the elder's advice but in line with my father's reccomendation) and have never looked back. Oh and they never even came or called to check on me despite my physical injuries requiring I go to a hospital!!! CRAZY is all I can re that situation. So glad my WORLDLY husband is the sweetest, most loving man I have ever been with and he even puts up with the subtle watchtower placements my parents send and the nauseating meetings we attend from time to time. All he asks is I never re-join and he knows I never will. But he puts on a happy face to deal with the farce that is the JW.org soul-draining BORG!!!!! The first time I took him to a meeting, the audacity and desperation of all the single JW women showed as they approached him and tried to encourage him to study, all the while ignoring me as if I wasn't there. We still laugh about it just knowing they wanted to suck him into the cong and away from his "loose" fiancee! He put his arm around me and left. My parents have been married for a LONG TIME but I think deep down, my father has his doubts and wishes my mom wasn't so stuck in it (He was the one who resisted shunning me when she tried to enforce it!!!!). I know he truly loves her because he would have dipped and left the craziness when they DF'd me. But thankfully he never had to choose as I have never shown disrespect to the JW religion or him. Sorry that was so long, just had to vent a bit!

@Flipper and Brainfloss-- Thank you so much and I feel so happy now knowing I have a safe place to vent and question things with an understanding crowd and I look forward to inputting more!

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newbie to site looking for fellow DF's and DA's (or anyone else who has good conversation to offer)

by eyefell4it2 in

i am new to the site.

i started perusing it this weekend and wish i had found it 10 years ago when i was on my way out.

anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though i had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues.

eyefell4it2

Greetings to all once again!

@Gregor- no I am absolutely sure that they are NOT RIGHT. At a time in my life when I needed support they removed the beams from my life and I know that any real God wouldn't want his followers to do that. (I have memories of living in a studio apt with another person eating RAMEN NOODLES during my pregnancy! And WORLDLY PEOPLE who barely knew me offered me more support, help and guidance than the JWs did) Being as my daughter is 10 now, I feel bad that they did that because for years I resented having her (I know it sounds crazy) for coming into my life and uprooting things but I began to appreciate that BECAUSE of her, I was able to seek the REAL TRUTH about the world and learn about life, unconditional love and most important of all, what AGAPE truly was and how the JWs didn't display it. I love her so much and recently had a convo re holidays and birthdays and she has agreed that she wishes to celebrate them but doesn't want to mess up her relationship with the grandparents (we have only celebrated holidays once in her life and she has never had a bday party though my husband is determined that next year she will with or without my parents support). I feel bad for the ones still stuck but I know that if they mean well, perhaps God will guide them into the light about the REAL WORLD or shake them out of the darkness that is the BORG (I LOVE THAT WORD--I am a trekkie and can appreciate the irony of the comparison). In the meantime, I am polite when I come across any and some even say hi to me out in public but I don't expect anything from them but what they have shown me thus far.... What has been your experience? I mean were you DF'd, DA'd or just inactive?

@Pronomono I completely understand and should you have any concerns or just want to vent let me know. I have a sibling who is inactive (and behaves as a "worldly person" but they seem to overlook that part). But I concur, there were some good things about being a JW and the fact that you are still struggling makes perfect sense, but I found that going to a megachurch in the area help shake me out of the fuzzy void between not being a JW and still having doubts. I would love to share my experience with you and how it helped me. What are some things you are afraid of that keep you still kind of clinging in there?

@Cofty Hello to you too and thank you for responding!

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newbie to site looking for fellow DF's and DA's (or anyone else who has good conversation to offer)

by eyefell4it2 in

i am new to the site.

i started perusing it this weekend and wish i had found it 10 years ago when i was on my way out.

anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though i had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues.

eyefell4it2

Greetings!

I am new to the site. I started perusing it this weekend and wish I had found it 10 years ago when I was on my way out. Anyways, long story short, was df'd for you guessed it...fornication or "loose conduct" even though I had been a pioneer with an elder father, grandfather and uncle and no previous issues. I got df'd cuz I was preggo--go figure. It has taken me 9 years to get acclimated to this "evil world" and yet I still have very few friends because I feel like no one understands. Recently married a worldy guy who is great and even accompanies me to the meetings when my parents request we go (out of respect and wanting our children to have their grandparents in their lives, I go OCCASIONALLY). I was just looking for friendly conversations on whatever and found that many of the topics I questioned (and MANY MANY MORE THAT NEVER OCCURED TO ME) have already been covered. I still long for conversations and friends who can understand what I went through and maybe share their own experiences with me. I live in Alabama and find that I haven't seen many from my area on this site. Hope someone comments so I don't feel so stupid posting. Best wishes and hope to hear from someone soon! Also, I have hoped that the whole BORG would implode with all the scandals (especially from the molestation scandals and failed predictions) but suprisingly it still is kicking strong so until then I have to grit and bear it and deal with my JW fam who still haven't figured out TTAT. I need friends of like minds to help me cope!!!! Feel free to ask me any questions!