Posts by ToesUp

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Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?

by karter in

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friends

i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.

the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.

then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????

ToesUp

We asked a close friend to explain the overlapping generations. Crickets!!! My spouse pointed out, "you should know this, it is part of you beliefs." Crickets again!

What we are observing from some family members is what DOC said, "it's the thing to do." Kind of like meeting your buddies for a beer every Friday night. It's a place to go and gives lonely people a place to go. I believe what they hear is like the Charlie Brown cartoon....wha wha wha. Nothing is sinking in (if they are listening at all). Crazy waste of time!!! SAD!!!!

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...and so it begins

by Phoebe in

jw
friends

i've had an email from a sister who tells me that out in field service this morning a long standing route call has told them she won't be taking any more magazines and doesn't want them calling on her again because she has heard about the jws child abuse scandals and cover ups.

she was quite angry with them and said your elders say there is nothing wrong but there is and it will all come out.. this is the first time anyone i know of has been challenged on the doorstep and they were absolutely shocked and also angry.

angry that the organization is not preparing them for dealing with this and for not being honest with the brothers about what is going on ie: lawsuits etc.. just thought i'd share that with you..

ToesUp

I believe this is going to happen more and more. JW's do not have a good reputation right now and it's getting worse. There will come a point that either WT will stop the door to door and cart witnessing due to cart crashing or just plain anger at the witnesses. Most of the JW's I know do not like confrontation and are ill prepared for the hard questions that are going to come their way. Karma is coming for WT. Great news!!!

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Session #8: "Bullet in the Head"

by Brian J in

so at the phd today with my wife and me, and in slowly getting to the heart of matters (like peeling an onion if you ask me), the dialogue in part went like this: .

phd: if it came down to it, would you take a bullet in the head instead of giving up membership in your organization?

wife: absolutely, i would die for my faith.

ToesUp

Saying it and doing it are two different things. Sometimes when people are actually faced with it, it's a different story.

We had an issue with the blood several years back. Our attitudes were quite different than what we thought IF it happened. When WE were actually personally affected, it was a whole new ballgame.

Just sayin.

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Sister may have had a slight heart attack, do I text her?

by Xanthippe in

jw
friends

so my cousin phoned and told me my jw sister was taken to hospital with chest pains and it may have been a slight heart attack or possibly she's starting with angina.

now as some of you know my sisters and brother have had little to do with me for 29 years.

we've met at funerals, or arranged them, but i just thought today what if she did die?

ToesUp

I really admire all of you that have been treated like crap, to reach out to those who have treated you so poorly. It says a lot about all of you. I would love to meet some of these wonderful people one day!

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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness

by EdenOne in

based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.

the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.

the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.

ToesUp

Karma is comin for em!!!

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WT studied by all congregations 4th Feb 2018.

by skin in

from the wt dated dec 2017 - study 1 para 11 studied by all congregations 4th feb 2018. the question asked on this paragraph is:.

what did the physician luke report happened to a young man, and how did that affect others?”.

paragraph 11 in this wt reads:.

ToesUp

Perhaps, apparently, no doubt, evidently are just a few words WT uses to make such stories so true. We never noticed this until we exited the cult. WT uses this tactic all of the time

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Marked

by Normalfulla in

ok , my wife and i have faded for a year and a half , i won't bore u with all the details but my wife just got confirmation that her sister got a visit some time ago saying we are marked and my sister also got the same visit in which we were described as dangerous, now for my wife , she has not spoken 1 bad word to anyone about the org apart from me (she woke me up ) the elders came around while i wasn't home and bailed her up but she said she wasn't comfortable talking to them without me there ,so the result ?......

let's do a round of all their friends and say shit about them because we can't df them but let's get them treated the same as if they were .... yeah yeah that's a good idea .... stupid mofos!

out to just wreck the reputation of any defectors from the org .

ToesUp

My spouse and I have bumped into a few witnesses in public. They have been pleasant. We act SOOOOO happy around them (because we are). Same with family that still speaks to us. Nothing confuses them more! You no longer attend but yet you are happy. How can that be? Slap that big ole smile on your face and be pleasant. It really f's them up! lol

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Marked

by Normalfulla in

ok , my wife and i have faded for a year and a half , i won't bore u with all the details but my wife just got confirmation that her sister got a visit some time ago saying we are marked and my sister also got the same visit in which we were described as dangerous, now for my wife , she has not spoken 1 bad word to anyone about the org apart from me (she woke me up ) the elders came around while i wasn't home and bailed her up but she said she wasn't comfortable talking to them without me there ,so the result ?......

let's do a round of all their friends and say shit about them because we can't df them but let's get them treated the same as if they were .... yeah yeah that's a good idea .... stupid mofos!

out to just wreck the reputation of any defectors from the org .

ToesUp

"Let's do a round of all their friends and say shit about them because we can't DF them but let's get them treated the same as if they were .... yeah yeah that's a good idea .... stupid mofos! out to just wreck the reputation of any defectors from the org"

Yep. This is the "message of judgement" WT was referring to in the Bunker video. We are having the same thing done to us by someone who is out to get us. I am sure there is a "smear campaign" out there about us. They funny thing....WE DON'T CARE. We are enjoying life and are free of cult teachings and their arrogant ways. We are happy...we are NO LONGER stuck in an abusive cult. Let em enjoy it. We know we are wonderful people that have a lot to offer others. This love is only given to those who deserve it. Once the JW's run all the "weak" ones out of the org, they will start to devour each other. Grab your popcorn and enjoy the show! lol

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End times "too late for you now" witnessing?

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. i've heard it several times from different people while i was growing up, as well seen some people talk about it here on the forum.

the subject is the jw belief that a time will come before the end where they will change the message that jesus talked about, to one of damnation, where the world will be told something along the lines of "it is too late now".

do any of you have references to jw litterature where they write this?

ToesUp

In the Bunker video, they said something along the lines of "the message would be changed to a message of judgement." So what has changed? This cult runs off of judging others.

The majority are a cruel bunch and they actually seem to be looking forward to everyone being destroyed that is not a JW. Sick beyond belief. I can't believe I was ever a part of it.

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Welcome to all the newbies and lurkers that have joined this forum lately.

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

i`m sure you have all noticed the ever increasing number of newbies and lurkers who have visited this site over the past months and i am sure we could all collectively welcome them to this site and support them on learning the ttatt .

and helping them to navigate how they can look up older publications and quotes of the wtb&ts that they would rather remain hidden.. we all know jehovah`s witnesses /governing body never apologizes for mistakes they make they just don`t mention them anymore and explain it away as new light from god.. actually a big cop out.. welcome to all you who are new to this site .. every day their seems to be someone new posting which is great .. and if this is any indication of what is happening in all other ex jw sites the wtb&ts are in deep trouble .

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ToesUp

Welcome.

If any of you are PIMO (physically in/mentally out) and can not leave because you will loose family, friends and some even a place to live or work (this organization is holding you hostage). There is ONE thing that you CAN do that has DEEP impact on Watchtower. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS. DO NOT GIVE THIS ORGANIZATION ONE MORE PENNY. HIT EM WHERE IT HURTS, IN THE WALLET.