Posts by Tenacious

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not going to school

by Sabin in

i don't know if it is the same where you are but where i live it is a common practise of jdub`s to withdraw their kid`s from school at about year 8 even younger in some cases.

they say they are being home schooled & of cause they do cover a certain amount of school topics.

don't get me wrong i`m not saying that it is wrong to home school a youngster, especially if they are being bullied or suffering in some way, but the jdub`s don't do it for this purpose, oh no their kid`s are out on the field service during what would be school hours.

Tenacious

This is also an issue that is becoming very common around my hometown.

The excuse is always avoiding bad influences that can lead to trouble yada, yada.

My thinking is the kid is going to have to experience the world someday so trying to overprotect him now will only result in shock later on. The kid has to display where his loyalty lies and if he really is faithful to God. Parents trying to ingrain a belief or doctrine into someone who doesn't except it or believe it is useless to God. So therefore, protecting a child who is encouraged to make the biggest decision of his life in baptism while still a preteen or teen, yet is unable to care for himself spiritually. Makes sense?

I see the similarity in teaching a kid at home in a driving simulator how to drive. Once the kid passes the driving tests and hits the road he will be shocked to actually experience the true nature and emotions that come with driving a 3000 lb vehicle around other real cars, trucks, buses, trains, bikes, mopeds, and people. It's just not the same.

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Server Error when using "Governing Body" in Search box

by Tenacious in

i have tried many times to use the words governing body in the search box field but i get a "server error" message every time.. anyone else experiencing this?.

Tenacious

Thanks Simon.

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Today's Special Day Assembly Expenses and the $10,499 Deficit. Silent Majority?

by Tenacious in

today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.

i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.

Tenacious

Today I attended a one-day assembly in my hometown. I knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

Sure enough, after lunch came the announcement. The expenses for this ONE-DAY assembly totaled $11,000.

I thought "what a nice round tidy number" and then looked over at the spouse who is still very much in, and she just rolled her eyes at me and quietly told me to not overreact or say anything. I had been telling her that we would once again foot an expensive bill.

Mind you, the assembly hall is paid for, all work including maintenance is done by the friends, and wastes are kept to a minimum of course. Can utilities really be that high for 1,700 friends? The total contribution made by 3 p.m.? $501.

Prior to making the actual expense figure known, the brother tried to make excuses about us now belonging to a new circuit, yada, yada, etc.

Could the friends be revolting and getting fed up with expenses that don't add up? I did tell my spouse that it seems that the friends are no longer buying what the WTS is trying to sell them.

Anyone else have any similar experiences?

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Server Error when using "Governing Body" in Search box

by Tenacious in

i have tried many times to use the words governing body in the search box field but i get a "server error" message every time.. anyone else experiencing this?.

Tenacious

I have tried many times to use the words Governing Body in the search box field but I get a "Server Error" message every time.

Anyone else experiencing this?

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Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

by OneStepOut93 in

i may take my fiance to a meeting.

give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

Tenacious

@ James Mixon - that's an interesting perspective. I would set it up where after the meeting, have them all talk among themselves acting normal but not speaking and completely avoiding the regular r & f like they weren't even there.

Talk about a mind twister. I would pay, yes pay, to see this actually happen. Heck I should start a GoFundMe page and fly people in from different cities

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Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful.

by stillstuckcruz in

this is truly terrible.

i just love the statement "instead of eulogizing the deceased, use the material in this outline to give a fine witness concerning the truth.

" in other words, utterly disregard the deceased.

Tenacious

"The purpose of this talk is to uphold Jehovah God as a God of love and mercy and at the same time bring comfort to the bereaved."

The scriptures, what to say, how long to say it, and what song to sing, while mentioned as a suggestion, given the rigid Pharisaical nature of the org., the speaker knows they MUST abide by some if not ALL of the "suggested" options.

While Jehovah should be rightfully thanked it is Jesus to whom we should look to for hope in that he will resurrect us and judge us as righteous. That is the authority Jehovah has given him both in heaven and on earth. Something the WTS loves to deny although clearly written.

The more the name "Jehovah" is thrown out there the more validity is given to the WTS.

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RAY FRANZ TODAY

by Scott77 in

its has been almost two decades if i am correct since ray franz released the heartbreaking books: "crisis of conscience" and "in search of christian freedom".

since then, many of us have been released from bondage of the wts and set free.

by the way, where is ray franz today, what is he doing?

Tenacious

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I thought of what may happen if it was me

by Truth and Justice in

a brother goes to the thursday night meeting, and an elder says that he and a couple of elders would like to visit with him.

" the elder says "well lets wait till after the meeting.

" so he waits.

Tenacious

@ Diogenesister - I'm with you on this one. I don't know if I misunderstood or misread. Either way the response by the elders is probably right on. When backed into a corner they revert to ignorance and parrot their little secret manual. It's rather disturbing to see so many people on the same pipe inhaling the same smoke.

It makes me sick that I have to sit through an assembly this weekend.

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Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

by OneStepOut93 in

i may take my fiance to a meeting.

give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

Tenacious

@ Overlapping..... - that's the problem within. Brother charismatic was truly repentant otherwise why would he even waste his time getting ready, preparing and studying, just for the heck of it? He could have been d'f 1 day before he showed up at that hall having made a sincere heartfelt prayer asking for forgiveness that night. BUT because of the pharisee-like self imposed rules and policies of the WTS the brother would have to wait. THEN after waiting at least 6 months, again depending on the offense, he would have to write a letter praising the organization and how it's man's only chance for survival. THEN he would have to grovel at the feet of the elder panel. THEN he would have to wait to see if these untrained circus monkeys saw mind, physical, and emotional repentance to the appropriate level, AND if they had no poop left over in their anal cavity, so that he could be called back in to the back room and enslaved again to the WTS.

@ OneStep..... - I would have your husband walk up to a member perhaps an elder and ask that I know why Jesus came to earth and his purpose and NOW he would like to get baptized. Once they object and advise that there's a process, have him tell them about the eunuch and the jailer and how they were baptized right away.

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Geoffrey Jackson's Amnesia at the Royal Commission!

by The Searcher in

at 20:00 - 21:30 in his testimony, mr. geoffrey jackson - in answer to mr. stewart's question about the governing body claiming to be god's spokespersons - claimed that it would be presumptuous of them to say that they were the only spokespersons which god was using.

mr. jackson doesn't seem to know what he and his fellow g.b.

members - and the providers of his lifestyle, the wtbts - actually teach as "bible truth.

Tenacious

Thanks again Searcher.