Posts by Tenacious

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This was a message I sent to a zealous witness in Chile who formerly had blocked me

by joe134cd in

below is a message i sent to a witness in chile.

i have included it in its raw form with spelling mistakes included.

i was deep in thought this evening so i thought i would ask you directly to get your honest opinion on it, and i guess if you block me then that's ok.. seriously were you totally unaware that the chilean flag is placed inside the kingdom halls to avoid having to pay a fine during fiestas patrias celebrations (september 18-19).

Tenacious

So this person unblocked you after this note?

As Giordano mentions, anything that even resembles an attach against their Org would immediately trigger their cult personality to block anything else you wrote down.

The mind conditioning is incredible.

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Living forever

by jws in

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someone on facebook posted john 3:16 where it says people will live forever.. not that i believe it, but i just cannot imagine this.

this, to me, would be the true hell.. if i'm very lucky, i will live to be 100. at nearly half that, already some parts of life no longer hold much interest to me.

even tv shows.

Tenacious

If death was something we looked forward to after living a full and satisfying life, we wouldn't fear it or dread it.

That's not to say that there are not many people who after living what they consider in the context of today's world, a full and satisfying life, who wouldn't look forward to resting in death. Yet, the majority of humans would have liked to have had more time to do many more things hence the bucket list was born.

I agree with Village Idiot in that, and this is considering planets and stars still, to this day, continue to be formed, we might eventually become space travelers exploring other planets, stars, and galaxies.

It's impossible for God, who designed and created humans, to be unable to please his created species for eternity. Scripture does say God will make sure we are in need of nothing.

This is the way I see it; If I took an ant from my front yard and set it free to roam my front yard then the neighbors, how long would it take it? What would that ant encounter during the voyage? Let's say that after about a few thousand years the ant finally completes their voyage and exploration of planet earth. The only thing that is left for exploration and voyage is our solar system comprised of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (still a planet when I attended school). So after many more thousand years, that ant finally completes this journey. The only thing that is left is the rest of our Milky Way galaxy which is roughly 100k light years across. This completion bear in mind, does not include the intimate exploration of different animal and plant species which are in the thousands. That alone, adds many, many more thousands of years.

Yeah, I'm very, very comfortable with living forever.

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Has anyone noticed how in the October JW Broadcast, Losch encourages good works towards ALL people?

by Tenacious in

i can't help but notice how this past year alone has seen the gb start to turn more towards the teachings of the christ instead of peddling their falsities.. study articles have talked in length about the fine works of christ.

assemblies have been dedicated to speaking about christ.

and this month's broadcast is about doing good to others copying the example christ left for us.. what's more shocking is that losch actually says kids should speak, share, and even give food and clothing to non-believers!!

Tenacious

It would be great if he was rebelling or working from the inside, but the chance is remote. You don't get to be a GB member by marching to your own beat.

This would be incredibly bold but, like you point out, highly improbable.Ray Franz tried it when he wouldn't sign off on many magazine articles and that just got him a swift boot off the body and an apostate label.

I like what Ed Dunlap said to his accusers when he was told he would be disfellowshipped. He straight up told them when they announce him not to say it was for apostasy as he wasn't one and they knew that. Classic. Ed had brass balls.

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Has anyone noticed how in the October JW Broadcast, Losch encourages good works towards ALL people?

by Tenacious in

i can't help but notice how this past year alone has seen the gb start to turn more towards the teachings of the christ instead of peddling their falsities.. study articles have talked in length about the fine works of christ.

assemblies have been dedicated to speaking about christ.

and this month's broadcast is about doing good to others copying the example christ left for us.. what's more shocking is that losch actually says kids should speak, share, and even give food and clothing to non-believers!!

Tenacious

@ DATA-DOG - Yes, definitely agree. The proliferation of the internet has certainly hurt the WTS extensively and will continue to do so. Now, the so-called apostates, have a voice that resonates far and wide. They have been delimited from flyers, letters, picketing, and rallies to websites that reach even the most remote parts of the earth.

The WTS went from belittling the internet to making use of it to try and stop the bleeding.

Sorry, but this bleeding won't be easily stopped until people hear the real truth unlike the peppered one they now get from the WTS.

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Has anyone noticed how in the October JW Broadcast, Losch encourages good works towards ALL people?

by Tenacious in

i can't help but notice how this past year alone has seen the gb start to turn more towards the teachings of the christ instead of peddling their falsities.. study articles have talked in length about the fine works of christ.

assemblies have been dedicated to speaking about christ.

and this month's broadcast is about doing good to others copying the example christ left for us.. what's more shocking is that losch actually says kids should speak, share, and even give food and clothing to non-believers!!

Tenacious

@ zophar - you make some very good points. They will likely revert back once things smooth out.

@ Doubting Bro - when the WTS says we must worship, worship, worship more and more field service, field service, field service, I like to quote from James 1:27 where it says ".....The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world." (NWT)

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Has anyone noticed how in the October JW Broadcast, Losch encourages good works towards ALL people?

by Tenacious in

i can't help but notice how this past year alone has seen the gb start to turn more towards the teachings of the christ instead of peddling their falsities.. study articles have talked in length about the fine works of christ.

assemblies have been dedicated to speaking about christ.

and this month's broadcast is about doing good to others copying the example christ left for us.. what's more shocking is that losch actually says kids should speak, share, and even give food and clothing to non-believers!!

Tenacious

I can't help but notice how this past year alone has seen the GB start to turn more towards the teachings of the Christ instead of peddling their falsities.

Study articles have talked in length about the fine works of Christ. Assemblies have been dedicated to speaking about Christ. And this month's broadcast is about doing good to others copying the example Christ left for us.

What's more shocking is that Losch actually says kids should speak, share, and even give food and clothing to non-believers!!

Losch goes on and on about how Christ did fine works that was not spiritual in nature but rather loving towards his neighbors and how it is these works that "let our light shine" and give praise and honor to Jehovah God and demonstrate that we are truly followers of the Christ.

Now this is all good and dandy, I certainly never thought I would live to see these happenings, yet something much more important is missing and they still refuse to say it or teach it.

Faith in Christ.

Why won't they teach this if the Scriptures are replete with this teaching?

Simple. They do not wish for people to start thinking so much of Christ and forget all about Jehovah. They don't realize that members, by putting their faith in Christ, copying the Christ, are praising Jehovah God.

The GB knows that all through the years, teachings have been about faith in Jehovah, and the majority of members view them as Jehovah's spokesperson. Jehovah is them and they are Jehovah. Remember what G. Jackson said, that they are Guardians Of Doctrine. Why upset that apple cart?

The fact that they have suddenly turned their attention to Christ in these very, very difficult days with all of the lawsuits, negative press, legal inquiries, and financial difficulties is not surprising. They can clearly see that Jehovah, instead of blessing them, not that he ever has, is actually condemning them. Now that their backs are against the wall, they are trying, let me stress, trying, to do right by teaching Christ. Sadly they are way too arrogant and power hungry to let go completely of their stranglehold on doctrine and by default their mental enslavement of members.

The power they hold over the 8 million plus members is intoxicating. They can now see how Jehovah feels about them disrespecting His son and his rightful position as King. The GB even has the nerve to have brothers sing about Jehovah being King and not his son as Jehovah rightfully appointed. Kingdom song # 30 is titled "Jehovah Begins His Rule" and song # 46 is titled "Jehovah Is Our King!"

Gee, I wonder why Jehovah is upset with them. I wonder how Jehovah views the GB in light of sending his only beloved Son to be tortured and killed all just to be put on the back burner and ignored.

So what the does Bible teach about giving the rightful honor to His Son?

(Daniel 7:14) ". . . And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him..."

(Acts 3:16) "…and by our faith in his name…..”

I just see divine justice being meted out here.

What do you guys think?

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139th Gilead Graduation Videos

by Listener in

the gilead graduate videos are now up on jw org tv.

they've outdone themselves this time by presenting 3 videos.

i didn't listen to it all but here is a little summary of them.. losch's talk about spiritual richness.

Tenacious

First, I think it's stupid the way they make you wait until after the training is completed to tell you where you are going. Just another mind game the WTS loves to play on their gullible prey.

Secondly, sending them back home just confirms the financial difficulties the WTS is experiencing. Divine justice if you ask me. Jehovah has seen enough and it's time to pay the piper.

Third, I truly feel sorry for these brothers as I know many of them are uneducated therefore, have no ability to critically look at their situation and realize something is amiss.

Fourth, I will continue to pray that I live to see the day where the WTS comes crumbling down.

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Pagan Origins

by Illuminated in

why are jw's not allowed to do certain things because they have "pagan origins", yet the very same roof over their head and the the food they place into their mouth is purchased through money with pagan origins on it?

pagan symbolism is all over money.

so if the wt leaders are so against paganism, why are they insisting "jehovah's" earthly organization needs pagan money to sustain itself, yet disfellowshipping members if they cross the line into paganism?.

Tenacious

As Heaven previously mentioned, just about everything we use today has some form of origin in paganism. From the calendar months to days of the week to funeral flowers to wedding rings to bonfires, to money itself.

Some things are not practical to stop using due to their origins BUT I can clearly see the point made.

It's like shopping at Wal-Mart whose owners are Christian or some form thereof, and eating at In-N-Out Burger whose owner was a born-again Christian and initially used the business to spread the Gospel.

It's an interesting subject for sure.

Scripture says money is not bad but 'love' of money is. And early Christians definitely used money with insignia and idols on it.

I'm not defending the WTS, far, far from it, but there are just some things that cannot be avoided like money without causing a significant hardship.

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Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO

by freemindfade in

so i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.

yesterday i went for the co's last talks.

older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.

Tenacious

What these Brooklyn maggots want is to trap another generation into their captive organization.

Guys, the best thing we can do is to warn brothers with families that their kids should wait until they have completely matured to make that all-important decision. Remind them that Jesus waited until he was 30 years old. And he was perfect!!

If Jehovah wanted children to be baptized Jesus would have been baptized at a much younger age.

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Anonymous posted RC account about JW sex abuse on their site!

by cultBgone in

sorry if this has already been posted but the fact that it's at the top of anonymous' "rights" section stopped me cold.

kudos to whichever exjw posted this!

http://anonhq.com/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-in-hot-seat-for-abuse/.

Tenacious

The hearings have already been held.