Your post just remind me of something I said some years ago at a meeting:
"From the moment we are born, we are born sinners, we have begun to die, and unless we change that, we will die in an eternal sense."
The comment is true, of course not to you [cofty] or the majority of those on this forum, but to Christian believing people it is. However, thinking back now, I'm disappointed with myself for having said it so passionately and openly like that with many children in attendance. I think that the same can be taught just by adhering to the moral standards taught in the Bible. Sometimes being blunt to minds that are not prepared to hear it can be detrimental. I still believe in the Christian God of the Bible yet I never taught that to any of my children or while in field service to any other children. My thoughts.