Posts by Tenacious

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Help with understanding

by Doltologist in

please take pity on me someone and help.. i was going to say that i suffer from aspergers syndrome but actually, i've come to rather enjoy it.. no, seriously, i really do have aspergers which is why my posts may seem a little odd to some of you.

ok, they may seem bloody odd to most of you.. my world exists in a binary frame.

things are or they are not.. i know that in the "real world" things might be or might not be as well as are and are not.

Tenacious

The diverse life on Earth, our perfect ecosystem, and our incredibly complex body and mind is more than enough proof that a Creator does exist. How? The water cycle and how this provides enough water to sustain our existence on Earth. The human body with all its organs working in tandem most of them on autopilot. The diverse and incredibly voluminous amount of animal life found on Earth with different characteristics. The Earth being perfectly positioned from the Sun so life can thrive and our moon which provides nightlight and balances the elements so life can thrive in and out of the sea.

The evolving of life on Earth does not automatically lend itself for concrete proof of a divine Being having created everything but it sure closes the window or at least makes it very narrow for all of these things to have happened by complete coincidence. Ask any scientist to estimate the chances of the aforementioned happening and it becomes unrealistic.

And if a divine Being does exist and we have been told about him in the only book to ever survive this long and be the most widely publicized and printed book in the history of man, there has to be some credibility to this divine Being having a Son named Jesus who later on became the Christ.

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Are Elders experts on the Bible? Are they spirtually qualified men?

by John Aquila in

how many times have elders read their bible in its entirety?

these are the leaders that give counsel to married couples, to teenagers, to single girls and single boys on everything from marriage, education, sex, association, dress, and recreation..

how well do they know their bible?

Tenacious

To answer your questions in order:

40% yes - I've known many elders, some who I wouldn't piss on even if they were on fire, that can recall many texts when needed. Having a good memory and being an expert are two different things. For one, an expert can reconcile one text with another, understand the context and its applicability to the modern day christian, thereby properly understanding how to implement it if ever.

35% yes - this is a complicated question. This is where the org has tremendous problems with appointing men who are assholes yet because they meet the spiritual criteria (Paul's letter to Timothy) they are appointed. Therefore, that figure will always be 100%. The real figure should be around 10% of currently serving elders who truly reflect the qualities of the Christ.

30% yes - but the other 70% probably out of habit and personal goals but not spiritually inclined to do so.

5% yes - but the other 95% probably for bragging rights and not having anything else to read after getting done with the other mindless propaganda.

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Interesting Experience when Being Around - Former Friends / Current Witnesses

by LAWHFol in

i am not da or df, however anyone that knows me, is aware of the fact that i'm an apostate.

i help my witness dad, in his business two days a week, the business is in a public place, where witnesses often visit.. recently some witnesses, from my former congregation, have visited my dad, (not knowing, that i would be there).

yesterday a friend of my dad's came to visit my dad, and as he approached i said "hey fred, how are you?

Tenacious

@ Outlaw - In other posts you have made similar comments about the WTS surviving even a bunker-buster bomb hit (b/b bomb my idea). But if any organization has come close to teaching the fundamental biblical truths (trinity, dead, hellfire, etc.) and can later on be chosen by God to lead the way, it would have to be the WTS carcass or some form thereof. Remember that the majority of JW's are sincere loving people who have been misguided. Most of these people can be found within the R&F with a marginal few being appointed or privileged people.

I would venture to say about 10% of what the WTS is today would survive a major cleaning or refinement by God. I believe the bible does speak of a cleansing in God's house. I think it's in Paul's letter to the Romans not sure though, have to look it up.

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New to the site

by LexIsFree in

jw
friends

my name is alex.

i have been a reader/lurker of this site for over a year now.

first time i am posting.

Tenacious

......if you truly love some one and miss them, regardless of religious beliefs/doctrine, you would reach out to them

Truer words were never spoken.

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June 2015 Watchtower equating Apostates with The Antichrist!

by nicolaou in

shit!

it finally happened.. years ago i speculated on this happening but can't find the posts.

anyway, this is a tactically aggressive move by wt.

Tenacious

It's incredible that they are too stupid to realize THEY are the anti-Christ.

Let's see, umm, the word "anti" means opposed or against something, someone, or an idea.

Now if we add "Christ" to the word "anti", wait a minute, wait, oh shit!!, I got it! That means someone that is opposed to the Christ! The Antichrist!! Jesus (literally) call a special meeting for this Friday, yes I know we have it every Wednesday, but this is huge!! We can pin this shit on the apostates right now!! Losch is going to die!!

So goes the thinking of these moronic imbeciles who can't see THEY are the ones that have shunned Jesus since adopting the incorrect name of Jehovah.

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New to the site

by LexIsFree in

jw
friends

my name is alex.

i have been a reader/lurker of this site for over a year now.

first time i am posting.

Tenacious

Hello Alex.

Thank you for sharing your story. You are right, it's not easy to break free from mental enslavement and those that do, suffer greatly. But more importantly it's having someone to talk to and listen while your feelings are shared.

There are a lot of good people on this board that have gone through the same exact thing as you. You are by no means alone or unique. The WTS has an iron grip on its members not physically but mentally. The mind controls the body so if your mind is enslaved your body merely carries out your mind's desire. It's rather evil what the WTS has done since its inception. I too, like you, sometimes question things like the Adam and Eve narrative. The Noah flood and the killing of innocent babies.

I would definitely advise you to make as many "worldly" friends as possible including those on this board that may live near you. It's incredible to me how blind a person really is when they are mentally enslaved. I, like you, also questioned things like why if the WTS teaches the truth why they would prohibit the reading of material critical of their teachings. Why, if Jesus taught love, patience, and acceptance, are we told in a very generalizing way (propaganda method) that ALL worldly people that do not bow down to them are EVIL. And like you clearly point out, why, if Jesus sat with sinners and even other sinners criticized him for it, does the WTS feel they can impose shunning. This is another matter where the bible contradicts itself. Paul advises brothers to not say hello, eat, or associate with those that profess to be brothers yet are sinners, yet Jesus teaches to "love our neighbor", and how that commandment in itself, everything rested on including all of the prophets of old. So, like you, I truly wonder, who is right. Paul or Jesus. I don't recall seeing in any bible an asterisk next to the word "love" when Jesus spoke of it, to only include those people who were righteous.

I feel your pain brother. Trust me, many of us on this board feel your pain and we are right there with you. Feel free to PM me whenever you need it.

I wish you the very best and stay strong. Yes! Living happy and to the fullest is the best revenge. Enjoy life, enjoy freedom, live, and live well.

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Bro Loesch's talk.

by New day in

recently i heard through video link to our kh a talk by bro loesch where he attacked university study (again) but this time he prefaced his remarks by saying, and i quote, "the faithful slave does not forbid you to go to university.

" so this was a bad start as his following remarks made it clear that this was just a way of seeming reasonable while basically saying that we shouldn't do it.

he went on to use an illustration i think he has used before about a man with ocd who decided to kill himself.

Tenacious

Losch is a hypocrite.

He talks down on higher education yet he makes use of professional people.

The more and more I hear about the university shunning the more I believe these pricks know a wider audience would awaken by learning critical thinking skills. Skills readily found in a college education.

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Ideas how to answer a jw friend

by Daniel1555 in

jw
friends

i faded completely (no kh visits or field service).. just recently a close friend from the kh wrote:.

"dear daniel.

it's a pity that we don't see you anymore at the kingdom hall.

Tenacious

Dear Jane:

Thank you for writing.

I can certainly appreciate your concern for me but it is I that is concerned for you.

I hope that you will one day realize that God cannot accept worship that is tainted with lies being that Satan is the father of the lie.

I wish you the very best.

Signed

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Anointed, Crazy, Overzealous, or Good Acting?

by Tenacious in

i don't believe for a second that the wts can be god's chosen organization, if he does have an earthly one, especially one with such a hypocritical past.

but the question begs; why are there people professing having the heavenly calling usually found in the wts?.

does anyone know or have heard of other denominations having the genuine heavenly calling?.

Tenacious

@ OTWO - that is a very striking and thought provoking list. Thank you.

I have always had a problem seeing how such a loving God could annihilate babies and yet Jesus condemned violence. Did he have his reasons? Probably so. But this human has a hard time accepting them.

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Anointed, Crazy, Overzealous, or Good Acting?

by Tenacious in

i don't believe for a second that the wts can be god's chosen organization, if he does have an earthly one, especially one with such a hypocritical past.

but the question begs; why are there people professing having the heavenly calling usually found in the wts?.

does anyone know or have heard of other denominations having the genuine heavenly calling?.

Tenacious

We were treated pretty badly by others in the KH.

Yep, that sounds about right. If her partaking did not fit in with the current WTS narrative I can definitely see this.

I'm sorry you had to experience this. These maggots think they have the right to dictate someone else's spirituality.

I haven't really had anyone answer with any real substance to my question. I find it very striking that these people would "feel" the need to partake. And they happen to be JW's.