Posts by Tenacious

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Is this a subtle clue that the leaders really see the "great tribulation" of the WT coming soon?

by never a jw in

similarly, we cannotexpect that the future interruption inthe great tribulation will result in aninflux of new believers.

rather, it willbe an opportunity for all true believersto prove their love for jehovah andgive their support to christs brothers.. (par.

7, page 16, wt july 2015).

Tenacious

It's the same darn tune different year. They are seeing the amounts they will have to fork out and are trying to scare the friends into sending in as much dough as possible.

Does anyone remember that one WT study where one picture shows the friends gathered in a basement with the little girl looking right into the camera? The fact that the little girl was looking directly into the camera is a propaganda technique to make the reader, yes mentally force them, to identify themselves with the people in the group.

Gotta love the propaganda techniques they continue to use. Feels like FOX News sometimes.

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If they go bankrupt, so what?

by maksutov in

it seems likely that the watchtower is worried about its finances, given the downsizing, property schemes, and money-grabs we have been seeing over the last few years.

perhaps they suffered badly from the financial crisis.

for sure, there will be more expenses to come from child abuse payouts.

Tenacious

Considering it is a Pharisee-like organization and it is Jehovah God who will ultimately manipulate their downfall or expose them for who they really are, which I believe is happening right now, nothing can stop their downfall. The governing body will scramble like little lab rats trying to cover their rear-ends (Morris finally cutting that mane) trying to move and save as much wealth as possible (power no longer there, money takes over). It reminds me of Ray Franz whom the governing body gave $10k to, when he resigned from the board. Anyone know of someone getting such as nice sendoff?

The members will temporarily be left without a central authority i.e. governing body, leadership and eventually the Christian model will return to the congregations with elders taking the lead on a local level. Just like in Biblical times.

IMHO.

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Who knows Natheer Salih ?

by rege brazzy in

many bro s spoken about the bethelite natheer salih as a wise iraquian jew that became jw.he worked in writting dpertmente.

somebody knows him ?

Tenacious

@ umbertoecho - read Fritz Springmeier and how he connects the WTS to the Illuminati and Rothchilds. I personally feel it's a bit far fetched but if there's one thing I've learned and that's to expect the unexpected.

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Today's Special Day Assembly Expenses and the $10,499 Deficit. Silent Majority?

by Tenacious in

today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.

i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.

Tenacious

Wifi and Tech49 are spot on. It was the "Imitate Jehovah" one-day assembly. Tech you are spot on about many talks pointing towards being "smart" about wasting money on the latest technology among others.

Let me add to my initial OP in that there was I believe a $3,000 + "in the bank" which by the time the brother was announcing the figures was probably already in the mail to the org in the form of a check. With the rest coming after they collect every single penny from the friends.

As far as baptisms I believe there was 16 in total with majority being young early 20s some late teens and about two or three below the age of 15 that I saw. Sad, sad situation for them.

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not going to school

by Sabin in

i don't know if it is the same where you are but where i live it is a common practise of jdub`s to withdraw their kid`s from school at about year 8 even younger in some cases.

they say they are being home schooled & of cause they do cover a certain amount of school topics.

don't get me wrong i`m not saying that it is wrong to home school a youngster, especially if they are being bullied or suffering in some way, but the jdub`s don't do it for this purpose, oh no their kid`s are out on the field service during what would be school hours.

Tenacious

This is also an issue that is becoming very common around my hometown.

The excuse is always avoiding bad influences that can lead to trouble yada, yada.

My thinking is the kid is going to have to experience the world someday so trying to overprotect him now will only result in shock later on. The kid has to display where his loyalty lies and if he really is faithful to God. Parents trying to ingrain a belief or doctrine into someone who doesn't except it or believe it is useless to God. So therefore, protecting a child who is encouraged to make the biggest decision of his life in baptism while still a preteen or teen, yet is unable to care for himself spiritually. Makes sense?

I see the similarity in teaching a kid at home in a driving simulator how to drive. Once the kid passes the driving tests and hits the road he will be shocked to actually experience the true nature and emotions that come with driving a 3000 lb vehicle around other real cars, trucks, buses, trains, bikes, mopeds, and people. It's just not the same.

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Server Error when using "Governing Body" in Search box

by Tenacious in

i have tried many times to use the words governing body in the search box field but i get a "server error" message every time.. anyone else experiencing this?.

Tenacious

Thanks Simon.

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Today's Special Day Assembly Expenses and the $10,499 Deficit. Silent Majority?

by Tenacious in

today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.

i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.

Tenacious

Today I attended a one-day assembly in my hometown. I knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

Sure enough, after lunch came the announcement. The expenses for this ONE-DAY assembly totaled $11,000.

I thought "what a nice round tidy number" and then looked over at the spouse who is still very much in, and she just rolled her eyes at me and quietly told me to not overreact or say anything. I had been telling her that we would once again foot an expensive bill.

Mind you, the assembly hall is paid for, all work including maintenance is done by the friends, and wastes are kept to a minimum of course. Can utilities really be that high for 1,700 friends? The total contribution made by 3 p.m.? $501.

Prior to making the actual expense figure known, the brother tried to make excuses about us now belonging to a new circuit, yada, yada, etc.

Could the friends be revolting and getting fed up with expenses that don't add up? I did tell my spouse that it seems that the friends are no longer buying what the WTS is trying to sell them.

Anyone else have any similar experiences?

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Server Error when using "Governing Body" in Search box

by Tenacious in

i have tried many times to use the words governing body in the search box field but i get a "server error" message every time.. anyone else experiencing this?.

Tenacious

I have tried many times to use the words Governing Body in the search box field but I get a "Server Error" message every time.

Anyone else experiencing this?

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Thinking about taking my fiance to a meeting.. going as a "worldly person"

by OneStepOut93 in

i may take my fiance to a meeting.

give them fake names and just see how my fiance reacts.

he's been curious about seeing what i hated so much about the whole thing (not that he'll really understand everything, i mean of course he never will to my extent but)... i'd like to see what an outsiders view on the whole thing would be as well.

Tenacious

@ James Mixon - that's an interesting perspective. I would set it up where after the meeting, have them all talk among themselves acting normal but not speaking and completely avoiding the regular r & f like they weren't even there.

Talk about a mind twister. I would pay, yes pay, to see this actually happen. Heck I should start a GoFundMe page and fly people in from different cities

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Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful.

by stillstuckcruz in

this is truly terrible.

i just love the statement "instead of eulogizing the deceased, use the material in this outline to give a fine witness concerning the truth.

" in other words, utterly disregard the deceased.

Tenacious

"The purpose of this talk is to uphold Jehovah God as a God of love and mercy and at the same time bring comfort to the bereaved."

The scriptures, what to say, how long to say it, and what song to sing, while mentioned as a suggestion, given the rigid Pharisaical nature of the org., the speaker knows they MUST abide by some if not ALL of the "suggested" options.

While Jehovah should be rightfully thanked it is Jesus to whom we should look to for hope in that he will resurrect us and judge us as righteous. That is the authority Jehovah has given him both in heaven and on earth. Something the WTS loves to deny although clearly written.

The more the name "Jehovah" is thrown out there the more validity is given to the WTS.