Posts by Tenacious

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They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book

by pale.emperor in

"they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.

"all of our publications are open to everyone.

we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".

Tenacious

Prior to finding out about "the book" I always would have problems understanding how we were supposed to be "Jehovah's Witnesses" when scripture clearly said we are Witnesses of Jesus Christ. One day it would be Jehovah coming to judge. The next meeting it was Jesus. Next meeting Jesus was king. Then 30 minutes later Jehovah was king. You literally had to figure out who's kingdom it was. Conspicuously missing was putting faith in Jesus as the only way to salvation. Instead it was always "slave for Jehovah" as he was the savior of sinners.

I dealt with it the best way and probably only way Witnesses deal with this sort of confusion and that was to "trust the Slave" and continue "waiting on Jehovah". It wasn't until I found out the elders had an exclusive book that my doubts started. Then little by little their man-made kingdom fell to pieces.

The freedom of taking that guilt ridden JW lifestyle off my shoulders is incredibly liberating and refreshing. Today I'm at peace and enjoy a stress free life. Too bad my family is still a part of this sinister cult but we manage just fine. Nothing can stop me "I'm all the way up". 😊

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The UN Files - Print Out And Keep For Your Next JW Visitor

by pale.emperor in

i've been researching the wt and the un involvement.

when i was still in and i first seen the un letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and i told myself it'll be a fake.

an apostate lie.. and seeing as no jw i've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", i decided to do a little "personal study" of my own.

Tenacious

Excellent thread and very good research. Thank you.

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Brother & Sister-in-Law Return to Kingdom Hall After Two Decades, Quickly Get Stumbled

by TMS in

it was a mild surprise, learning that a brother and sister-in-law had began re-associating with jehovah's witnesses after at least 25 years of being away.

the couple, of hispanic ethnicity, are in their early 60's, with their five children all grown and independent.

the family had been considered nominal jws, infrequently attending meetings, rarely in field service, but using the annual convention as their family vacation.

Tenacious

Funny thing about cleaning toilets and taking trash out, etc. The ones rarely seen doing these 'menial' tasks were elder wives. God forbid they clean someone else's s**t. They were above cleaning the s**t cuz they were already knee deep in it sniffing the CO's own batch. Simply hilarious.

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Well... im disfellowshipped now.

by pale.emperor in

very long story.

i've been away from this site for a while.. basically, i tried to leave.

handed in my disassociation letter, it kicked up a storm and 2 weeks later i was disfellowshipped.

Tenacious

I'm very sorry to hear about your situation. There are so many things wrong here that someone from the outside looking in would be appalled and just plain shocked. From taking illegal pictures and showing these to others without your permission, to your wife taking her parents side over yours.

I wholeheartedly agree with Onager. I think at this point it's become a legal matter and that's the only language these maggots understand. From the elders to those pieces of crap in Brooklyn.

Good luck my friend. Use the law and make them pay for everything you can make them pay.

I pray for your little one and having her go through this nonsense at such a young and tender age. These people have absolutely no conscious.

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How do you deal with depression?

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

i'm currently going through a bout of depression and my eating disorder has gotten worse.

ever since my parents actually told me that they are going to kick me out when i turn 18 i've felt kind of hopeless about my life.

my parents won't take me to the doctor because the psychiatrists won't have my "best interests" aka jw crap in mind, because really that's the root of all my problems.. i'm wondering if any of you guys have any advice with dealing with depression?

Tenacious

Tell your parents you plan on writing a letter to Brooklyn expressing their desire to kick you out and you going through a depression stage. I'm sure that will make them sit up quickly because they know that their masters do not advocate kicking someone out merely because they don't buy the crap their selling.

Moreover, tell them that you are on the border of suicide and if and when you do go, you'll be mailing a letter to the local news spelling out why you did it and what led you to it. But be sure to mention this in your letter to Brooklyn.

In dealing with depression, first let me say I'm sorry you are going through such a rough time. Most of us here have gone through it and we can certainly sympathize. The best advice I can give you is to meditate remaining positive. I would highly recommend reading Napoleon Hill's books. They are incredibly refreshing and great for redoing your life over. Best of luck to you. I'm always available in IM if you ever need an ear.

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Why Are You Here?

by Believer in

i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

Tenacious

Before joining I lurked for about 2 years similar to you. I knew the environment was not very conducive to anything in support of a Christian God. Don't get me wrong, there are many of us believers that remain on this board but stay away from threads were Christianity is being bashed and spoken against. I respect that.

Personally, I've had my share of contentious debates with other members with me trying to defend God. I still believe in God, the Christian God of the Holy Scriptures. I am however, still open to other arguments and researching these no matter where they may lead me so long as it can be validated as truth. Thanks cofty and others as well.

I respect all opinions and do not try to impose my beliefs on others. Comments I make are based on my personal beliefs and its up to the individual to investigate the validity of the arguments being made. I don't impose on others threads and try to fill it with Christian point of views. There have been times I make comments that are aimed in furthering the conversation of believing and not believing.

Simon has also heard from me in regards to protecting members from those who wish to prey on still believing Christians. I understand I do not own this forum nor do I have a vested interest but I do strongly believe point of views should be respected and not assaulted. That's my take on things. Cheers to everyone!

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Sometimes I feel like I Should Believe something...

by freemamaof3 in

has anyone else felt like they should believe something after leaving wt?

i am an agnostic atheist and its so so hard for me to believe in a god or higher power.

it just doesn't make sense.

Tenacious

Boy, how did I know you we're monitoring this post like a hawk?

Your answer still does not answer the fundamental reason why normal human beings wish to live instead of resigning themselves to death as if it was normal.

You should know mate, the person that started the thread asked about believing in something. I don't think she wants the thread to turn into a debate. Remember, I'm not an authority and neither are you so we should not act like it on these boards. That is unless, you have acquired your doctorate and are published on the theory of evolution?

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Sometimes I feel like I Should Believe something...

by freemamaof3 in

has anyone else felt like they should believe something after leaving wt?

i am an agnostic atheist and its so so hard for me to believe in a god or higher power.

it just doesn't make sense.

Tenacious

The reason you feel like that is partially due to being raised in a cult religion but primarily because we are born with the innate feeling of wanting to live forever. We are not like animals that have very limited thinking capacity when compared to humans. The fact that we are self-aware (consciously aware of existence) and value our life and wish never to die, at least not normally, is indicative that we we're never meant to live and die so young. How can a tree that is an inanimate object live longer than a human being? How can some animals who have nowhere near the creative capacity of humans outlive us sometimes by decades?

You are going to get a lot of people posting that we should just enjoy life which we should, but not look forward to dying. A lot of members are so put off by the WT that they have gone off the cliff and would rather just enjoy the 80 year life span and then die when their mind is screaming NO!!! I'm not ready to die!! I want to live!! The exception would be if you are suffering from maladies and diseases but even then, many people fight to stay alive. You have to ask yourself why we wish to preserve our life when evolutionists are telling us it's normal to just check out at 80+ years.

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String Theory Co-Founder: Sub-Atomic Particles Are Evidence the Universe Was Created

by Tenacious in

(cnsnews.com) -- dr. michio kaku [1], a theoretical physicist [2] at the city college of new york (cuny) and co-founder of string field theory [3], says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.. after analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, kaku concluded [4] that the universe is a “matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.. “i have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence.

believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore,” kaku said, according [5] to an article published in the geophilosophical association of anthropological and cultural studies.. “to me it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”.

“the final solution resolution could be that god is a mathematician,” kaku, author of the future of the mind: the scientific quest to understand, enhance, and empower the mind [6], said in a 2013 big think video [7]posted on youtube.. “the mind of god, we believe, is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11-dimensional hyperspace.”.

Tenacious

(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Michio Kaku [1], a theoretical physicist [2] at the City College of New York (CUNY) and co-founder of String Field Theory [3], says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.

After analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, Kaku concluded [4] that the universe is a “Matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.

“I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence. Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore,” Kaku said, according [5] to an article published in the Geophilosophical Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies.

“To me it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”

“The final solution resolution could be that God is a mathematician,” Kaku, author of The Future of the Mind: The Scientific Quest to Understand, Enhance, and Empower the Mind [6], said in a 2013 Big Think video [7]posted on YouTube.

“The mind of God, we believe, is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11-dimensional hyperspace.”

Click here for original story.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

Tenacious

Present! Welcome! I'm also a believer Believer you are definitely not alone. Unfortunately, many of our friends on this forum have been so put off by the idiocy over in WT land that they've abandoned belief all together. Yes, there are things that seem to point to evolution but there are also things that point to a creator.