Posts by Tenacious

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The question no JW can answer without resorting to babbling

by Crabby in

let me ask you only one question.

first i need to clarify a few things.

in the new world translation, john 1:1 reads: “in [the] beginning the word was, and the word was with god, and the word was a god.” then in isaiah 9:6 (nwt) we read: “for there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.

Tenacious

Crabby is right on point in his argument. It's the same when Jehovah claims to give his glory to no one else yet Jesus is glorified. Moreover, Thomas worshiped Jesus at his feet bowing down to him and exclaiming my Lord! and my God!. This could not be being that Jesus rebuked Satan to only worship God. Huh?

If one takes a closer look at the scriptures one can readily decipher that although the word Trinity is not mentioned it is a reality in the mind of Paul and other prophets as they authored the gospels and letters. Paul actually described the Trinity mystery in 1 Timothy 3:16. Paul knew it would be hard for others to grasp this reality which is why he called it a mystery.

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Why ex-JW's so knowledgeable when it comes to the Bible?

by James Mixon in

over the years here on this site i have found over half of the folks can hold their own with any minister.. why when we leave the borg we become proficient on any subject on the bible.. why did we go down that road?

my intention was to get close to jehovah (searching the bible), but i. guess i found lucifer.

i'am ask all the time, how did you go from a true believer to calling the bible a book.

Tenacious

Having been a keen JW student for a few decades I knew all the teachings. When I realized the GB was full of crap, I started out reading the Bible independently and just let it interpret itself. Once I did that, the majority of their teachings started to come apart at the seams and then huge rips started to happen.

It is no wonder they are working on a Bible commentary starting with the book of Matthew. They don't want anyone doing any independent interpretation. So since brothers are starting to read the Bible by itself without magazines they will now introduce this commentary. Nice cult.

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Obedience At Its Blindest

by Nevuela in

just a little something my "anointed" roommate posted on facebook a few months ago, along with replies from her fellow jws.

it was chilling to read, so i took a screenshot and saved it for future reference.

please feel free to share your own stories of blind obedience within the org.

Tenacious

Having to read the screenshot and subsequent replies to it just ruined my entire Sunday. But it is greatly appreciated in all sincerity. Appreciated in the sense that it's a good reminder to remain vigilant and awake and keep fighting the good fight against this monster of a cult.

Okay, now I'm going to go throw up.

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The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures argues for more than one GOD

by smiddy in

gen.1:26 "and god went on to say "let us make man in our image according to our likeness.....etc,etc,.. the key words here are "us" and " our" ,he is including other life forms just like him in using plurals.. he did not say " i" will make man in "my" image ,using the singular vernacular.

the same is also noted in gen 3:22 "and jehovah god went on to say " here the man has become like one of " us".

again he is using the plural and not the singlar language clearly showing their were other life forms on an equal footing to him.. also satan via the serpent also knew the difference between good and bad before he tempted eve , showing he was on a par with jehovah god in knowing that fact along with the other gods in heaven.. another scripture that comes to mind is 1 cor.8:5 "........just as their are many gods and many lords,,,".

Tenacious

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Jehovah in New Testament

by truthwillsetyoufree in

hi guys.

conscienceguy started a topic regarding what to say to the elders about the name jehovah being in the new testament.

i wrote him a private message with my comments on the matter.

Tenacious

If Jesus is part of Jehovah's being/existence/entity then many of the scriptures that have Jesus identifying himself as God make sense. Including when Jesus is about to be arrested and he identifies himself as "I AM" and everyone falls to the ground. Also, when he says he made God's name known which he was given.

This is one of the reasons Paul identified Jesus and God being a mystery. Paul could barely grasp that Jesus came from Jehovah literally. He is part of Jehovah such as his "right arm" like the scriptures identify him. This is the reason why so many scriptures interchangeably use God and Jesus both acting in the same capacity with the same authority. This is something that I could never reconcile while I was a JW. How the scriptures both spoke of Jesus and God acting in unison.

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Hidden message in JW bunker video?

by Dunedain in

so, i was speaking with a relative recently, who is "in" the borg, but is completely aware of the terrible hypocrisy from the gb down.

he is not in the box, and its great to be able to have a realistic, and logical discussion about the current state of the org.. we started discussing, specifically, about that bunker video that was released in december.

how it is being played at all the conventions.

Tenacious

From my information it's going to start at Bethel in Australia with the branch committee huddling in a basement with their lawyers while the authorities search for them.

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If this doesn't make you question the Bible, I don't know what will...

by ILoveTTATT2 in

1 chronicles 18:4. .

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Tenacious

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Are we in a computer simulation?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znmk2viuqba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/simulation_hypothesis.

consequences of living in a simulation[edit]some scholars speculate that the creators of our hypothetical simulation may have limited computing power; if so, after a certain point, the creators would have to deploy some sort of strategy to prevent simulations from themselves indefinitely creating high-fidelity simulations in unbounded regress.

Tenacious

This is a very interesting subject that intertwines with consciousness, quantum mechanics, and that we may exist in a sort of dream-like state where what we conceive in our mind materializes in physical form.

I've been researching this subject for a couple of years and it's a deep subject and potentially disturbing for some who can't handle the fact that we may all be nothing but computer code.

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Elders fly to New York to challenge governing body

by usualusername1 in

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just saw this amazing video on youtube about brothers in ireland who were so upset with the ray grand fiasco they flew to new york to meet the governing body.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-1dekqfmza.

Tenacious

I remember seeing this video some years back. I felt bad for these guys who really thought the GB would humbly receive them and listen to their concerns.

I'm glad that they experienced what the GB really is first-hand and hopefully they and their families have left this cult organization.

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Hidden message in JW bunker video?

by Dunedain in

so, i was speaking with a relative recently, who is "in" the borg, but is completely aware of the terrible hypocrisy from the gb down.

he is not in the box, and its great to be able to have a realistic, and logical discussion about the current state of the org.. we started discussing, specifically, about that bunker video that was released in december.

how it is being played at all the conventions.

Tenacious

In all probability it was meant as an explicit warning to remain loyal to Jehovah (THEM) because the end is imminent and more than ever they will need to depend on Jehovah (THEM). I think the whole convention is meant to really cement and condition the mind of the friends that loyalty to Jehovah (THEM) is a matter of life and death. This convention is a prelude to a major change in one of their teachings perhaps the 1914 date. It just reeks of emotional and spiritual blackmail.

The GB knows their time is up and they are now grasping at straws and playing the only viable card they have and that's the mind hold over members.

How sweet it is to know these GB maggots are sweating bullets trying to figure out how to keep their power over the friends. Hahahahaha!!!