I have often thought there should be a retirement home/retreat for elderly ex-jw's with no family.
Posts by alamb
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49WHAT WOULD U DO IF YOU WON THE LOTTERY?
by Mary inif you won the lottery, what would you do?
would you continue to work?
how much would you give your family and friends?
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Disfellowshipping - How long to return?
by CaptK indoes anybody know how long it takes for one to get re-instated if you are not that well liked by the body of elders?
i was disfellowshiped for immorality almost 2 years ago.
with my job and attending college to keep in step with my field of work, i have only been attending the sunday talk & wt meeting every week.
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alamb
Just wanted to say Welcome! I have found alot of genuine friends here and I hope you do too.
My experience: I DA'd myself and continued to attend meetings for 2.5 years. During that time I was recommended for reinstatement 4 times by 2 elder bodies. It would never make it past the original committee though because they would have to admit their error in the first place (the reason I da'd myself) But in the meanwhile, I learned alot and don't feel the need to be subjected to that. I miss my family and respect their positions to stay, but I am happy here. I grew too much to go back.
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Need help with quotes...
by alamb inmy mother (still active) send me literature and i am looking for quotes on how it is a dfing offense for her to even be "witnessing" to me, a known apostate.. today she sent me a year old wt regarding "how can i ask for forgiveness and be repentent" (i took my sexually abusive father to court and they want an apology.
he is a jw) and a 2 year old awake on "how can we make our marriage work?
" (i left my abusive ex-husband, also jw, 5 years ago and she mailed with it a picture of her attending his wedding this past saturday).
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alamb
Thank you so much for the info. I knew it was out there and you guys knew where. I am so flustered. My father has admitted his actions, both to the committee and in court so a restraining order was placed on him being around my children. My mother sends me pictures though, of them together...thanks for the evidence. He is not repentent though. My mother said I was over 12 and old enough and the judge kicked her out and said she made him ill. So much for making a good impression for the organization.
I think a cease and desist is in order along with a letter to her elder body to tell her to stop sending me publications and a demand charges be brought against her. Won't work but will give her at least a taste of the other side of a judicial committee.
I'll keep this stuff in mind and wait until I am composed enough to write the letter. Any more loving expressions you have to suggest to be included in the letter are kindly appreciated.
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Need help with quotes...
by alamb inmy mother (still active) send me literature and i am looking for quotes on how it is a dfing offense for her to even be "witnessing" to me, a known apostate.. today she sent me a year old wt regarding "how can i ask for forgiveness and be repentent" (i took my sexually abusive father to court and they want an apology.
he is a jw) and a 2 year old awake on "how can we make our marriage work?
" (i left my abusive ex-husband, also jw, 5 years ago and she mailed with it a picture of her attending his wedding this past saturday).
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alamb
My mother (still active) send me literature and I am looking for quotes on how it is a DFing offense for her to even be "witnessing" to me, a known apostate.
Today she sent me a year old WT regarding "How can I ask for forgiveness and be repentent" (I took my sexually abusive father to court and they want an apology. He is a JW) and a 2 year old Awake on "How can we make our marriage work?" (I left my abusive ex-husband, also JW, 5 years ago and she mailed with it a picture of her attending his wedding this past Saturday). I am absolutely floored at her gall and would like to turn the tables by calling her on breaking her own blessed JW rules to stab me in the back again.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
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Grandparents rights
by Swickley ini left the cult over 25 years ago and never looked back.
sadly, my daughter has recently returned to "the freakin flock" and now my granddaughter is being indoctrinated.
i am no longer allowed to even see her unless my fanatical jw daughter supervises every word -- and then its only once every 6 months for a few hours.
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alamb
Grandparent's rights vary state to state. If you need help contact me at: [email protected]
Keep your chin up!
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What Made You Leave The "Truth"? Was It False Prophecy, People, Blood, etc.
by minimus injw's like to believe that people who leave the organization do it for selfish reasons or due to impatience and not "waiting on jehovah".
there's a variety of reasons for persons making the decision and saying, "that's it!
i'm not doing this anymore".
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alamb
To be honest, it started with my children and I being treated poorly by the local elders and the injustice I saw once I was on the other side of a judicial committee. That caused me to question doctrine and the 607 thing unravelled 31 years of "kingdom service" in about 20 minutes. I never set foot in a hall again. The day before I would have sworn nothing would shake my faith and I would have considered the idea of quitting ludricous. Life is strange.
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WT & Religous Freedom vs Religous Terrorism/ Opinions?
by ARoarer ini have been reading a lot of the comments on the new childrens book released at the convention.
i must say this book turns my stomach.
you know, for years the wts has demanded thier religious freedom in the courts and won many decisions based on thier first amendment right to worship as they choose.
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alamb
I agree fully. But the dilemna that must be worked through is the violation of civil rights vs. first amendment rights. Until a judge goes there, the basis is thin. We can look at the KKK and see their freedom of belief is hampered by their inability to act against blacks per se. Some court decisions in the US have come close to restricting first amendment rights to protect the civil rights of a person. Vicky Boer's decision in Canada addressed this issue and went further into these uncharted waters. Let's hope this is the beginning.
Another question: Death by cult? As has been stated many times, Jim Jones' clan had a stack of bodies for the world to notice. How deep is the guilt of the WT?
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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
by iiz2cool inmy wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.
she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.
it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.
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alamb
Good idea Lisa. I sent the pages to several child advocacy groups along with pedophile awareness sites. I'll post what I get back.
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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...
by iiz2cool inmy wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.
she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.
it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.
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alamb
where to start...
After reading the excepts from the new book, I am glad it wasn't put out when I was young and I have no intention of letting it be put into the hands of my children.
I was molested by 2 elders and believed that Jehovah protected those he loved (which must not include me). After all, the magazines were full of experiences of brothers and sisters in foreign countries hiding magazines in haystacks and dresser drawers and, with Jehovah's loving help, Satan's conspirators didn't find them. But somehow they found me and Jehovah didn't hide me. To top it off, they were elders, mind you. Appointed by the FDS and used by Jehovah to shepherd the flock. What the heck was wrong with me? So I pioneered and pushed myself to do all the stuff good JW's do at the same time knowing in my heart I probably didn't qualify for life in the new system because if Jehovah wasn't protecting me now, why would he save me at Armageddon?
The wording in the book is fine. The morality is hauntingly vacant. Nowhere does it state that the adult is fully responsible. Nowhere does it say the child is a victim. It twists the sick mess back on the child and immediately makes them little perverts.
And the reference to LOT!!! Ludicrous. The story of Lot only makes incest better than homosexuality. Lot's wife was the evil one in that family. gag.
I am sending these pages to child protection agencies locally and to counsellors also. This stuff has no place in print and is a shallow attempt by the WT to posture themselves for upcoming and ongoing court cases.
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I'm Concerned About My Children.
by SpannerintheWorks inthey are four and seven, both girls.
and i love them.
i love them more than my life.. at last i was able to post my real (although sub-concious) reason for being here!.
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alamb
Spanner,
I am so sorry and am exactly in your shoes. The best advice I have received is to live well. It speaks volumes and puts out millions of little fires started around you about apostates living debauched lives. Be yourself, be kind, be charitable and live. Give your children the benefit of the doubt and trust common sense.
My children are at the stage that they are fearful of what they see. My life is fine and happy but they are told to expect the opposite. At some point, the truth (real truth) will shine through. It is hard though..almost comparable to your children being held hostage. My youngest left a note on the fridge years ago that said, "Your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear your words." I try to let my actions speak for me because arguing gets you nowhere but in a hole and justifies their persecution complex. Just love them and show them the world isn't what they are told. There are many wonderful people who cross our paths. I have started a file of all the letters, cards, encouragement, that has been given to me/us to show them someday when they can see it for what it is. Unconditional.