i'm sure that i would've, believing that jehovah god would be proud of me.
fleur:
I drew up a document on Randy's site under legal issues on the bottom she could carry or sneak with her. Just make sure it is notarized with your signature and has all your contact information. Maybe include legal documents showing legal custody and your rights in case that's a question?
i'm sure that i would've, believing that jehovah god would be proud of me.
I thought about it alot and decided then that I would accept the transfusion and answer to Jehovah to save my child. How sick is that? I kind of figured it was giving my life to save my child's, if it came down to it.
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
Thank you so much for the support and ideas. I hope someone can use the quotes the court gave us to show how religion can be used as a tool in divorces and some potential solutions; although none of them have been abided by (with Jah's blessing, of course).
I I was told my file isn't IN the cabinets, it's ON the cabinets. Part of that is the 100+ affidavits I received from my friends here coming forward to say what shunning had done to their families and that it DOES exist.
FYI: I have used these to help others and they wanted me to express untold gratitude to you who sent them. I am still collecting these for other uses now if there are more stories to be heard. Another venue that need addressing, adults who were forced to shun as children and it's effect on their lives, then and now.
Thank you all so much for helping me. Maybe my case is lost but I will forever help others with each inch I gain. It is so nice to hear stories like Puternut who is finally receiving the love and relationship he deserves, and his children are all the better for it.
thanks...
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
If shunning suits are so hard to get support of the courts for, how could reverse-shunning fare any better? Surely they could not be thinking I am going to abide by the rules of an organization I no longer answer to?
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
I haven't seen the suit yet as they are still working on it. I have no idea what they want. They refuse contact when I extend the hand, up until last week when my father called my house. Now I see they were probably recording it and hoping I wouldn't let him speak to the girls? I think reverse shunning sounds like a double negative. Reverse (not) shunning = associating? What court wouldn't laugh at that? Or shunning in reverse...shunning them?
I can't even fathom it either.
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
"Their common religion and the Jehovah's Witness Church has been used by dad and some of his family as a manipulative tool. Dad has manipulated events and allegations which this Court believes has caused dad's desire to result of having the oldest two children choosing to ask the Court to allow them to live with him. Unfortunately, this manipulation has been passed down to the 6 year old. Dad may have acted in many instances believing the means he used justified what he believes is a righteous end. He has acted wtihout sensitivity to the emotions and well-being of his children. He and some of his family have committed intentional acts which have severely harmed these children, all with the purpose of succeeding in his crusade to obtain custody. Dad has falsely convinced the children and tried to convince their church leaders that Mom's broken up the family and stolen the children..... Dad tried to make her feel guilty about her feelings, tried to control her by blocking her exit from rooms and would effectively hold her hostage for hours, trying to force her to change her mind or accept his version of what their lives should be. His main effort was verbally trying to prove she was wrong, often using their mutual religious beliefs, one of his primary methods of justification for his argument, making her feel guilty. He would attempt to coerce by threats, hitting the wall, hitting with his fist to frighten her, physically restraining her, yelling at her and various means of substantial emotional and some minor physical abuse. The children were often present or at least aware of the conflict because of his intensity now that was gaining and his insistence on her changing. As time proceeded his frustrations and efforts became even more intense so he and some of his family members became involved in their disputes by bringing in the ecclesiastical authorities of their church. Dad became frustrated and increased efforts to do everything he could to thwart her efforts to become independent. He would not transfer personal property to her to meet the needs of the kids, destroyed or allowed destruction of many of the personal items and I think he came close to violating the law by stalking and generally make her life miserable. It appears he became totally obsessed at this point with vilifying mom and made a very conscious and concerted effort to ensure that their three small children and their church leaders and church members understood what he perceived in his mind were her wrongs. He became involved in extreme manipulations to try and obtain custody of the children to ensure to everyone that he looked like the good guy and that she and her new husband were the bad guys. There were almost no bounds to which he would go to accomplish his mission because he apparently felt that God was on his side because she had sinned. Additionally, by Dad's refusal to give mom adequate furniture, personal property, care for the children in her custody, he intentionally prevented her from becoming properly settled when she wanted to just get on with her life and it did have substantial negative effect on the children's well-being and ability to adjust to the divorce. These young and impressionable children were also convinced by dad and some of his family that new husband was evil and dangerous. Unfortunately, they still believe that new husband is evil and dangerous though the court the court finds absolutely no evidence to support that claim against him. Dad has played every card imaginable to turn the children and others away from mom. He and some of his family members have made derogatory statements about mom in front of the children. He attempts to make the children feel that he will not be alright unless they are with him, making them feel guilty if they choose to be with her and her evil environment. He and some of his family have tried to make these innocent young girls feel that they will be raped if they are not careful around one of mom's adult friends' young boys who are very close to the children. He has instigated church action against her causing her to be embarrassed in front of the church and her children as part of his effort to turn them against her. This has resulted in her being disassociated. This was also accompaned by an effort to have her disfellowshipped. The court believes that ths is a direct result of dad and some of his family pursuing unverifiable complaints through the church elders. _________________________________________________________________ Bottom line: He now has physical custody. We have joint legal.
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
Here are some quotes from the court:
" Dad shall not directly or indirectly expose or allow the children to be exposed to shunning of their mother, or to engage in any family contacts or religious activities that directly or indirectly suggest or expose them to teachings, scriptural interpretation, or declarations that mom is anything less than a good and honorable person and fully worthy of designated, implied, inferred, promised, reserved, assumed, or otherwise available, obtainable or receivable, so-called 'spiritual blessings' or rewards which might be obtained or available to faithful religious persons, including faithful members of the Jehovah Witnesses Church. This shall include his exposure of the children to family member, church teachers, preachers or other advocates of the JW church or to condemning any doctrines or activities. Dad shall not have, suggest, or cause any religious contact or religious communications with the children, advise them regarding religion or direct or advise them regarding what their personal conduct or religious activities should be, or monitor their activities to determine if they are in compliance with his religious beliefs, while they are with mom."
1. I haven't denied them any contact, the shunning is their own.
2. My dad molested me as a child and there is a restraining order from the girls being taken to his home which is violated on more than one occasion.
3. I have always acted to protect them as best I could.
I will include more court quotes in the next post...it's not working to cut and paste them together here...sorry.
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
I also have their counsellor in court on tape denying that shunning exists..and piles of letters and pictures I have sent them that they haven't responded to. They also have 2 grandchildren they haven't bothered to meet.
I'm thinking of inviting them all over for a BBQ to see who's shunning who. Maybe send invitations registered.
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
I just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!! What is reverse shunning? "un"-shunning? or "shunning them"? This could get interesting.
ok, .
just trying to lighten things up.
i'm a chap-stick addict.
I confess...but to baby lip smackers.
