Posts by _Morpheus

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

_Morpheus

Lol i post from my phone almost exclusively, its just so convenient, but the occasional fat finger slips by. I try to catch where i can and when i dont... well then the ole bob ross comes into play. “No such thing as mistakes just happy little accidents”. Yes i did fat finger my name and yes i fixed it :)

wizz, im not going to waste valuable forum space explaining my point any further. It seems evident that you cant accept the premise that was laid forward (shunning ending) so there no value in beating my head against a wall going beyond the basic premise you wont accept. Frankly there is no chance they end shunning so its a moot point anyway.

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

_Morpheus

Ok lets think this through. Since you seem a tad emotional on this let me help with some rationality....

Lets assume that every rule you laid out is indeed a rule that jw’s insist be followed.

now lets remove shunning from the orgs arsenal of weapons.

with those parameters established, lets now say publisher morpheous f**ks the hell out of a woman he is not married too... maybe gisele bundchen. Given that he banged a supermodel, lets say he comes to the kh and brags about it ( and yes i definitely would). Without the threat of shunning, what are they (any jw) going to do about it...?

See how that works? Shunning is the ultimate threat to a jw. It removes all friends and support (remember you cant have worldly friends!) and also takes the hope of paradise.... if you remove that threat whats to keep you walking the jw strait line?

In short the jw cult becomes just another church, a social group. As i already exained, its a social group i was born into. I would go back, nominally, for the social ties i forged over a lifetime, as many here would. Also perhaps you should google the word “nominally” as i expect it will shed some light on what i mean.

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Will The Watchtower Ever Give Up Mandatory Shunning Of DF'd Members?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think the wt will never give up this practice unless forced to by the courts, even if they are financially failing terribly they will keep it because the moment they do get rid of it the whole thing will collapse even faster and they know it(or afraid of it happening).

they have painted themselves into a corner of financial ruin.

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_Morpheus

Never. Never ever ever ever never. Without shunning they have no control and the first rule of power.... those with power want more, not less.

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

_Morpheus

If you end shunning its actually not a cult anymore, its just a stupid religion, one i was born into like billions of other people. If shunning were really gone id go back (nominally as i said before) for the community aspect. Id never buy the shit but with no threat of shunning id be free to speak my mind on the shit.

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

_Morpheus

I dont begrudge anyone their dreams or hopes, lv101. Im on record saying that if they ended df’ing (shunning), i mean really ended it not just changed the name, id go back, at least nominally. That is the core of their power and absent that power people would be free to be whatever they wanted. That is of course why it will never happen.

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Creeeeepy Sanderson

by oppostate in

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creepy sanderson.

_Morpheus

Yea... x2 what steve2, pete, cc, nbd and slim said. Lets hang them for whats real, not for what we want to be real.

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the watchtower is starting to crumble

by pepperheart in

for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

_Morpheus

@incognito- your earlier point regarding not being transparent on fincial status is something that i always take to mean they are better off than some hope. If they were really struggling they would be more transparent and use it to say ‘hey we need help, see!’. They dont because they know showing their cards would cause donations to drop since it would be apparent that they are ok.

Also dont take it personally when slim ignores all your logic. He just wants it so bad he has utterly convinced himself the wt is falling and nothing will change his mind. Dont stop trying (im not) but dont take it personally.

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The watchtower does not have the resources

by pepperheart in

if you have a look at the december broadcast on jw tv they tell you that they wont be showing you a normal format for december but the 143rd event of gilead because the watchtower does not have the resources other wise to translate it many different lanuages.. with all the cuts the watchtower have made and are going to make you would have thought that they would have lots of resources.

_Morpheus

Pepper, your translation caculations are rediculious. Do you honestly think it takes ONE person to translate a talk i to a particular language and that ONE person is located at walkill and can translate the whole gilead program in the snap of a finger?

You have absolutely zero concept as to what any sort of translating involves. It is a huge effort and takes a large investment of time. A single bilingual person CAN do it, but as a point of referance, it takes a si gle person about 4 hours to translate 20 min of cartoon from Japanese to english. 20 min of simple cartoon dialog. Now take that and extrapolate 3 or 4 hours of complex religious language that in many languages wont have exact words to match along with the need for exacting contextual meaning.

This looks very much like (yet again) more wishful thinking. You drastically underestimated the needed labor to make seem as if the org lacks something cheap and inexpensive. Epic failure.

Also slim, your estimate of a 1k videos seems rather short sighted. That would equate to 1k months (since they do one a month). At one a month that would be 83 years. Your on record as saying they are collapsing in 2 years. I call foul on that prediction.

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Dinosaurs in Paradise

by The Real Edward Gentry in

jw
friends

i'm so thankful for sites such as this.

i realise it's our imperfection but god's organization is not always open to 'outside the box' thinkers such as ourselves.

i've been researching dinosaurs and god's reason for not preserving these beasts beyond the flood of noah's day.

_Morpheus

@jlol, dont take this thread as anything more than what it is: an obvious troll on theists who believe the dino’s lived until noah as well as a troll on atheists who jump at the theists. Its all in fun, and for once, it was actually pretty damn funny

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Dinosaurs in Paradise

by The Real Edward Gentry in

jw
friends

i'm so thankful for sites such as this.

i realise it's our imperfection but god's organization is not always open to 'outside the box' thinkers such as ourselves.

i've been researching dinosaurs and god's reason for not preserving these beasts beyond the flood of noah's day.

_Morpheus

Rotflmao! Ok this one was good :) you got a genuine laugh out of me this time