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  Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???

  by redpilltwice in

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  the title speaks for itself.

  lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!

  about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.

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  Foruthly, you are ignorant of the two-witness rule (or playing ignorant). It’s an allegation, with corroborating evidence, including BUT NOT LIMITED TO, a physical eye witness. This is the base standard of all civilized justice systems

  Oh bobby bobby bobby bobby.... your showing your lack of organization understanding again. It has become very clear to me that you havnt been associated with the organization of jehovahs witnesses for very long and you most definitely never had a position of responsiblity. Having sat on far too many judicial committees i can tell you that your understanding of what is acceptable as evidence is dead ass wrong.

  However, rather than express what you will undoubtly think is simply my word for it, please note what the elders school text book says:

  
  

  So, you are patently wrong. Two or three witnesses are absolutely needed and there is positively no stands even remotely resembling the legal standards of the modern western world.

  I would ask you to apologize but im sure thats pointless. I can only hope your less ignorant.
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  Where is Wifi Bandit

  by Moster in

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  anyone know?.

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  Lol i dont know but georges answer made me laugh
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  The FISA Memo, To Release Or Not To Release

  by freemindfade in

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  was the doj, nsa, and fbi weaponized?

  the biggest scandal of this era, or a false alarm by the gop?

  i am skeptical what will come of it, however, some very strong reactions and words are coming from its existence and those who read it, also the fight to keep it secret is telling (reminds me of any cult trying to prevent people from reading damaging information).

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  Im in favor of the truth. If that memo clarifies fisa abuse (as is speculated) or other important issues then hell yea the citizens whom the government serves absolutely deserve to know! Provided no sensitive sources (read under cover agents) are compromised then hell yes. Government accountablity baby!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

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  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Im sorry you feel that way bob. I have no desire to argue or “be right”, im just asking for your point of view. Let me explain.... this quote from jw dot org makes it clear who jehovahs witness look to as their leader, a quote that harmonizes with my 30+ years experiances as one of jehovahs witnesses:

  Jesus guides the Christian congregation by means of Jehovah’s holy spirit, and he has at his service angels who were “made subject to him.”—1 Pet. 3:22.

  the article goes on to make this point:

  The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

  If you would like to review the article in its entirety on the societies web sit here is the link:

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010685
  

  Again, it makes clear that jehovahs witnesses dont follow men nor do they rely on a particular administration or member of the gb to make decisions. Its christ leading the congregation. Whatever decisions were made in 1990 were made under christs leadership and he still leads the congregation today, correct? That makes those decisions incredibly relevant.

  Im bringing this up because you seem to have a different view, as if individual men lead and not the christ. If so a review of the article from the societies web site may help clarify things for you.
  

  Thats far from semantics.
  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

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  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Lol but its not irrelevant, as i clearly showed. The results of those decisions echo in a strait line to today.

  I do however find your view on “different leadership” a bit strange. Jehovahs witnesses dont look to the governing body as their leaders. They claim but one leader, christ jesus as head of gods kingdom. They say the organization is spirit directed, not man directed. No matter whos name is on the letterhead, jesus is head of the congregation. Im not sure why your identifying the gb or its individual members as unique in the leadership direction of the org. Its all christ jesus leading jehovahs people.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Also also, bob, your sort of right technially but not really when you say nobody on the current gb was on the gb in 1990. My old buddy gerrit losch was on the service comitte and was sitting in on every meeting of the gb in 1990. He was part of the decision making process on the switch from selling to donations. So technically right but not exactly. Im also not sure why who was serving on the gb at the time matters?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

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  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  It was THIRTY YEARS AGO! Move on. As you say, they are not in financial trouble today, so what happened then has no financial consequences that we are seeing today.

  bob, your jumping to an incorrect conclusion there. It has everything to do with today. The supreme courts ruling that said the wt could be taxed for selling religious literature hs huge impact on everything the org has done since. They were forced to adopt the donation arrangment. That arrangment eventually proved not to be sustainable and the changes we today are the result. Even the org reconizes the value examing the past. Thats why they wrote the book “proclaimers of gods kingdom” which covered the first 100 years of the organizations history.
  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

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  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Look, I am not going to argue over something of little consequence that’s about 30 years old. You have your views, and I’ll have mine

  im sorry you think this is an argument bob, as i said this is a discussion board and without talking its just blank pages, right? This is a simple exchange of ideas.

  Also, your once again moving the goal posts. You make false statments and when i point out the blatant inaccuracies you decide that it no longer matters.. unfortunately for you it does matter. Motives are everything, bob. these things arnt matter of opinion, they are simple facts.

  the sad truth is that you seem to think we disagree and we dont, at least as far as the org being in finical trouble. We agree they arnt. We agree that they have purposefully moved to a more digital format. Perhaps if you were a bit less defensive we could have a more enjoyable dialogue
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

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  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Also , and i hesitate to point this out because you seem easily triggered, there was no attempt to “tax them for something they wernt doing”.

  They most definitely were selling literature.

  Thats why they filed an amicus brief when the jimmy swaggert matter was being considered. The wt org understood the ruling most definitely would apply to their org and therefore filed as an interested party. If the ruling were inconsequential they wouldnt have bothered to file an amicus brief as it would be pointless. They also wouldnt have changed from selling to donations following the ruling, would they? If they had a legal leg to stand on they would have fought it as they have fought countless legal matters over the last 100 years.

  Bob, in sorry but you come accross as somewhat young or perhaps new to the organization. Your grasp of even recent organization history is tenuious at best. Im young and lived through everything we've talked about but you seem to be drawing from rumors or half overheard stories.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  And to add, before the donation based only change, a person still could get the magazine if they didn’t contribute any to the printing costs. How many organizations selling you something lets you have it without paying?

  Oh im sorry but your grossly misrepresenting the truth. As someone who was alive and actually in the organization at that time i can say, for a fact, your wrong. It may be true that an individual witness could decide in their own to give someone a piece of literature for free, that literature was most certainly paid for by the publisher when it was given to them. The business model was never to sell to the general public, it was always to sell to members of the organization who in turn could sell it to recover their money, and even at one point, make money for it sale, like avon (i believe it was a nickle per set of mags, buts its been a while)