Let me add another variable.. its become a ploy for people to feign injury to draw in someone willing to help. They have even used infant car seats on the road side to draw people in... if it dosent seem right, if it feels weird, hang back and call the police.
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A very dangerous thing happen to us two weeks ago. It could have meant our life.
by Still Totally ADD intwo weeks ago mrs. add and myself was driving home from shopping on a side street when we came upon a man laying on his back with his arms spread out in a t formation.
with no one in site we pulled over our van to help this person.
mrs.add went for her phone to call 911 and i got out of the van to see what i could do.
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Stats just out: JWs in Wales decline (-3.4%) - COs primed for zero baptisms!
by Darth FayDehr infigures from that latest 2-weekend convention in caridff (wales) reveal jw “growth” now in decline.
baptisms are discouragingly low (21, combined), and circuit overseers have been primed to deal with assemblies where there are no baptisms; see these leaked 2018 instructions:.
pdf summary: https://1drv.ms/b/s!arekzxkzlp8ybsl45pov7y6k26a.
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In the "Wales online" they interviewed some particularly well educated Witnesses, including a New convert. One woman from a Welsh farming community said the singing prayers in Welsh makes her cry
A lot of North Wales congregations are assigned to the Liverpool Assembly.
That could be why the numbers are less in Cardiff.ahhh i love finding the nuggets of truth hidden amongst the chaff.
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Congregation Reassignments in Ohio?
by My Name is of No Consequence infrom what i understand, a letter was read this past week in regards to congregation reassignments and that the elders want to meet with people at their homes to tell them where they have been reassigned.
obviously, this would be due to the merging and dissolution of congregations.
can anyone confirm this?.
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Morph, one counter point. The last Pew survey indicated that the JWs in the US are getting old and continue to skew that way. Sure, you see plenty of young folks at some congregations, but there's a ton of grey hair or no hair out there.
If the doubters are correct, then why is the Borg making videos about how to behave when you are reassigned because your KH is gone?
Db, i appreciate you citing an actual source. Facts we deal with :)
i also quoted DD because the points are not unrelated.
One significant problem for the org that dosent get a lot of press is the lack of guys to handle the “man” designated work. The kh consolidation actually helps with that. Fewer congregations with more people = few men needed.
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Congregation Reassignments in Ohio?
by My Name is of No Consequence infrom what i understand, a letter was read this past week in regards to congregation reassignments and that the elders want to meet with people at their homes to tell them where they have been reassigned.
obviously, this would be due to the merging and dissolution of congregations.
can anyone confirm this?.
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Well, lets take a look at your list and see what we can find....
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Halls
what does thay mean, “halls”? Do you mean selling and consolidation? The real estate market is hot and they are not growing like they did in the 80’s and 90’s. Some people call it “profit taking”. Nobody calls it “collapse”.
printing just above nil
if thats a sign of collapse then my bank must be going out of business as well. They stopped printing paper bank statements a few years ago. Maybe i need to head to the atm this morning and make sure my money is still safe... never mind, its 2018, i’ll just check online.
growth negligible
notice you didnt say “no growth” or “decrease”. There is still growth. The org grows. It hasnt begun to contract in numbers let alone collapse.
branch closures
see my remarks under “halls”. It applies here the same.
reduced meetings
thank thor. Less time wasted, no more meetings in my house. Has no bearing on “collapse” and especially since that change was more than a decade ago and the org is still here.
Unapologetically regurgitating articles
its a valid point regarding the direction of the org but in no way points to “collapse”. It lends much more to a desire to stay on message, and allow no room for error in message. Also less staff to write and publish, be that in print or digital form.
baptising children
contrary to popular belief on this forum the borg have ALWAYS done that. If an 8 or 9 year old really wanted to get dunked they could. A couple gb 1.0 members bragged about being baptised at 8 years old... in 1930’s and 1940’s. Absolutely nothing new there.
governments examining proefures and policies
you do know thats also nothing new, right? Jw’s have a long record of court cases in the usa and have been banned many times in many countries.
increased negative press
im sorry, but can you define “increase”? Do you mean on this forum or worldwide? Jw’s have long gotten negative press. Thats why the gb has long written articles about ignoring it and not watching it. Are you old enough to remember the 60 minutes interview with leslie stall? Are you old enough to remember the newspaper articles when olin moiles testified against the judge? Its not new. At all.
aging congregations
*sigh* please. You have no numbers or reference point at all for this outside of your own experience. Local congregations in DC have thousands of young people as do their conventions. You have no hard data (and neither do i), its merely YOUR perception as YOU get older.
jj trottsalot showing the increased paranoia
rotflmao. Hes a poster trolling you, stop being gullible. Also even if he wasnt a troll, one individual witness being paranoid is an indication of nothing. Thats ridiculous.
governing body member boldfaced lying publicly for any Jw to see
yea cause that's new. Russel and Rutherford never lied.
GB asking for money outright
yea cause thats also new.
Leadership admitting they are struggling to keep up
perhaps you could share where that admission was made? Im unaware of that.
overlapping generations
rotflmao again. Thats not “new” either. Visit jw facts and see his very throughly researched chart (with wt references) on how many times the generation teaching has changed. Note: its a LOT. And for more than 100 years its been changing.
change in alternative service policy
lol one change in policy means the org is collapsing? Your losing your grip on reality now. The wt flip flops like carp on the dock and has for a century.
missionaries, overseers, bethelites being kicked to curb
that is a good one. Not collapse, but a sugn of fincial tightening.
conentions in assembly halls instead of larger venues
uhm... thats not even true. Please check your facts.
fewer assemblies with no food, no books
fewer assemblies isnt true. No food happened more than 20 years ago now. Not a sign of collapse.
In short, you have fallen victim to the common human flaw of thinking whatever last is the biggest and most important thing ever. You also have a terroble grasp on the org history and just how much this is history repeating itself.
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Congregation Reassignments in Ohio?
by My Name is of No Consequence infrom what i understand, a letter was read this past week in regards to congregation reassignments and that the elders want to meet with people at their homes to tell them where they have been reassigned.
obviously, this would be due to the merging and dissolution of congregations.
can anyone confirm this?.
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Lol dont read too much emotion into my posts. Im not in the least worked up over it...
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Congregation Reassignments in Ohio?
by My Name is of No Consequence infrom what i understand, a letter was read this past week in regards to congregation reassignments and that the elders want to meet with people at their homes to tell them where they have been reassigned.
obviously, this would be due to the merging and dissolution of congregations.
can anyone confirm this?.
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Morph are you serious?
I think we both know i am.
You ask for evidence that hundreds of KHs have been sold. Let me see.
Yes lets see indeed what EVIDENCE you have...
1. We have this thread about lots of halls in different parts of Ohio
Really.... how many, specifically? I dont see a number. Maybe you can help me. Lets say 5, just for argument sake.
2. You yourself said a lot have sold in Washington
I dont recall saying “a lot”, but maybe you can show me where i did. I do recall saying several. I can name 3. In more real terms that represents 8 congregations. Thats a lot of people, yes, but not a lot properties. We are now up to 8.
3. At least 3 (out of about 80) have closed/sold in Scotland in the last year
*snicker*. We are now up to 11.
4. I know cities in Germany in Austria have sold sold and combined many congregations.
Number? Specifics? We are at, what, 13?
5. We have reports from many parts of England where KHs are being sold: Isle of Wight, Birmingham, London to name a few.
At least you named them this time. We are up to about 16.
6. More reports from Australia on this forum of KHs closing.
Nothing specific so i have no idea what to count... lets say 5. We are now at 21.
7. Even the KH that was used in the film “Apostasy” was a KH in Oldham which was sold!
No!!!! Not the kh from the hit motion picture summer blockbuster “apostasy”!!!! /endsarcasium. We are at 22.
And to be honest my contacts are very limited and I haven’t even been paying to all the threads about closures on this forum. These scattered reports a very small sample of what is going on.
Ahhhhhhh now we have the admission i was waiting for, buried deeeep in bowls of the load of crap you dropped. You actually “know” nothing specific and admit to a “very small sample”. Need i elaborate on how that paragraph, tucked so deeply away, negates everything you said before it?
8. And to top it all off, we have a leaked video where Watchtower themselves stated their own intention of selling 3000 properties in an attempt to get themselves on a stable financial footing.
Really? I missed the part where they said “to get themselves on a stable financial footing”. Could you please let me know where in the video that statement was made? I will rewatch and retract this if you can.
So are you joking? What more evidence do you need?
I just need actual evidence. You ran around for at least a year proclaiming one major line of evidance that they were broke was no new bibles being printed... and what just happened? A new bible release. How many times will be wrong before you admit you have oversold the collapse?
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S 147 for august 2018
by obarac inanyone have s 147 for august?.
rumors about big announcement.. any hear about that..
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Lol and isnt that really the irony of life as a dubbie... things that are truly noteworthy are swept under the rug and “big announcements” are almost always mundane.
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Congregation Reassignments in Ohio?
by My Name is of No Consequence infrom what i understand, a letter was read this past week in regards to congregation reassignments and that the elders want to meet with people at their homes to tell them where they have been reassigned.
obviously, this would be due to the merging and dissolution of congregations.
can anyone confirm this?.
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I challenge you to cite any evidence of “hundreds of kingdom halls in lots of different countries”.
Also i have no particular faith in their strategic ablities and i suspect they bumble along. Im simply being realistic about the facts and not superimposing a desire the org fall apart.
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Congregation Reassignments in Ohio?
by My Name is of No Consequence infrom what i understand, a letter was read this past week in regards to congregation reassignments and that the elders want to meet with people at their homes to tell them where they have been reassigned.
obviously, this would be due to the merging and dissolution of congregations.
can anyone confirm this?.
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They are in serious trouble. I told you so. (Where’s Morph?)
Ahh another day, another collapse thread.
You take anecdotal evidance regarding some local halls being sold and take that as a broad spectrum referendum on all things jw while at the same time ignoring facts that contradict your preordained conclusion .
A lot of halls have been sold. That is a fact. Its certainly happened in the washington dc area... but it hasnt hurt moral on bit. They plod on. They sustain the small growth. They realease the revised nwt in new languages.
I applaude your efforts to see gloom and doom and ignore the reality but it is reality: they arnt dying, they are changing.
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What is the current pulse in the organization with the reductions?
by SouthCentral ini have not seen jehovah’s witnesses in my neighborhood for several years now.
it appears that the cart witnessing has taken over.
congregations are being consolidated and witnesses are being forced to travel a greater distance than before.the burdens/privileges of elders seem to be ever increasing!.
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Everyone I know is oblivious as ever and convinced the end imminent. Business as usual
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also the whole ‘cart witnessing taking over’ thing is overblown. Few are involved. Its not a big thing to most of them since they are not involved, and thats coming from the perspective of a metropolitan area with a ton of cart witnessing. Its probably even less important in outlying areas.
The earth spins on and so does the org. We here on the board make much more of it from an outside perspective.