Posts by _Morpheus

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why the watchtower is so short of money

by pepperheart in

the watchtower is so short of money because they have to pay for all the upkeep of so many branch offices around the world.because so many of the branch offices are in very poor countries and they are not balancing the budgets.

_Morpheus

This is what drives me nuts about your collapse discussions. You try to make economic arguements without any sound economic basis. It's like the WT arguing against science!

Db, you and i clearly see things in a similar way (httr, btw), but i have one small area of disagreement with the above. Slim does have a basis. His back side, which is clearly where he pulls these things from 😂😂

No one is saying that can't collapse nor is anyone here saying that they are doing great. But, you take such leaps in logic that now they are collapsing. No, last year they grew. Not by much, but growth is not collapse. Will they die one day? Sure, everything does. Is it by the end of the year? I'll wage my life savings the answer is no.

And thats where the slim one gets his wiggle room. Try to nail him down WHEN they will collapse. He will literally, in one thread, argue that they have already collapsed and then acknowledge that they will still be around in 100 years. Slim wants it all ways with no real measuring stick as to what he means. The irony is, slim really seems to mean nothing more than what most of us readily agree with: the org has changed and is changing. Membership, means of support, doctrine being forced to evolve etc etc. nobody debates any of that, but slim wants to hang sensational words like “collapse” on it and then duck and weave like ali when you try to pin him down what that means.

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No meetings memorial week

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

the august monthly announcements letter, among other things, says that if a memorial is midweek, there is to be no midweek meeting and if at a weekend, then no weekend meeting.

previously it was only no other meeting on the same day.

is this because so many congregations now share halls that scheduling it has become almost impossible?.

_Morpheus

It could be because of so many congregations using the hall. But I will suggest that Watchtower has been seeing a dip in contributions sent in from the congregations and will try to make the Memorial seem more "special" somehow, and hope that the cancelling of meetings makes everyone feel they should give more.

Otwo, are you hitting the sauce tonight? Normally your a levelheaded guy. Do you honestly see any logic or thought in your suggestion? Really...? Cancelling one meeting the week of the memorial would somehow inspire people to give more at the memorial? Thats so silly its beyond dissecting.

Of COURSE its because with kh consolidations schedules are too tight.
Of course it is. Yes. That is the clear obvious rational answer. Its not freemasons. Its not aliens. Its not some weird donation increasing scam. Its simple math. More people, fewer halls.

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why the watchtower is so short of money

by pepperheart in

the watchtower is so short of money because they have to pay for all the upkeep of so many branch offices around the world.because so many of the branch offices are in very poor countries and they are not balancing the budgets.

_Morpheus

What sort of fantasy world monoply economics do some of you people use for your assumptions?

Let me get this strait.... the wt is collapsing and had to sell brooklyn to cover only a years worth of operating expenses... but somehow selling a few pidley local halls has been so profitable it also kept them going? Ifthey sold every kh in the usa it wouldnt amount to half of brooklyn.

Your (yes im purposely pissing off grammar nazis) the lot of you delusional and not being consistant with your own logic. If selling brooklyn for BILLIONS isnt enough for more than a year than a few local halls for mere 10’s (100’s at most) of thousands is almost not worth the time to discuss. Its a goddamn rounding error in slims delusional wt budget.

And where do you people come up with these imaginary ‘huge cash settlements’? Without cheating and using a search, how many lawsuits can name that the wt lost... answer zero. How many can you name that they settled...? No cheating....

i bet you got one: candace conti. There have been a few others but a very few. Given what conti was awarded by a jury there have been reasonable guesses on the settlement and its nowhere near what any of you think. The wt isnt being hammered with abuse cases.

Try to step back from your wt hate or even your anti wt bias and be logical. They are still growing. Thats the opposite of collapse. Televangelists crying for donations while living a life of luxury isnt new or unuque to the wt. they arent selling assets to cover operating expense since the assets they are selling arnt even close to what you claim their operating expenses are.

The old printing model wasnt working in an increasingly digital world. They are trying to remake themselves and as long as they have people they have money. We will still be arguing this ten years from now. Slim still wont admit he was wrong.

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International convention headed for cleveland August 2019

by nowwhat? in

just sayin' btw what's so special about these anyway?

all it is, is inviting rich delegates from other countries to hear the same thing.

now here in cleveland as noted, there has been a lot of k.h.closings and consolidations.

_Morpheus

That's what my uber brother told me maybe I got bad intel

Lol you missed my sarcasm font.

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why the watchtower is so short of money

by pepperheart in

the watchtower is so short of money because they have to pay for all the upkeep of so many branch offices around the world.because so many of the branch offices are in very poor countries and they are not balancing the budgets.

_Morpheus

The $200 million figure in the yearbook is only for travelling overseers, missionaries and special pioneers. The wording is very clear.

again, your putting a LOT of trust and belief in people not worthy of such. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, they announce a pretend deficit at every CA. There is no legal obligation for them to tell the truth in a yearbook as to their expenditures.

Your living in a dreamworld, neo.

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why the watchtower is so short of money

by pepperheart in

the watchtower is so short of money because they have to pay for all the upkeep of so many branch offices around the world.because so many of the branch offices are in very poor countries and they are not balancing the budgets.

_Morpheus

Something's not adding up with your numbers.

Correct. Slim has pulled them from his arse and has no facts to back them up whatsoever

lets book mark this amongst his many many failed predictions:

That leaves 1.5 billion. If their annual running costs are around 2 billion (as indicated by various comments by Lett, possibly higher) then that means the sale of Brooklyn properties would cover running costs for less than one year.

In 2021 slim will still be saying ‘collapse will come, any day now.....’

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International convention headed for cleveland August 2019

by nowwhat? in

just sayin' btw what's so special about these anyway?

all it is, is inviting rich delegates from other countries to hear the same thing.

now here in cleveland as noted, there has been a lot of k.h.closings and consolidations.

_Morpheus

None of this possible. The org has collapsed. Also we have been told rc’s are being held in small venues only. Please tell your lies somewhere else.

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Alex Jones, Infowars Ban on Youtube, FB and other platforms

by pleaseresearch in

what are you thoughts on this?.

i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.

_Morpheus

If you like Alex Jones - you are sick and need medical attention.
Really, please get help before you hurt someone or yourself.

Had you actually, you know, “read” the comments you wouldnt have found support for jones personally but rather support for the idea of free speech and engaging ideas, no matter how stupid they may be and fear that anyone group would dare to put themselves as arbitors of whats worthwhile or gate keepers of ideas.

As always i encourage you to read what was actually written, not what you want to have been written.

If anyone needs help its those who need help with reading comprehension.... although you probably would say you only need help getting the bonfire started. The left’s need to censor and ban as they cry “fairness” is unbelievable yet sickly real.

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why the watchtower is so short of money

by pepperheart in

the watchtower is so short of money because they have to pay for all the upkeep of so many branch offices around the world.because so many of the branch offices are in very poor countries and they are not balancing the budgets.

_Morpheus

Now lets rewrite that byline to accurately reflect the wt org...

”sears has shown modest growth in assets (publishers, in the wt comparison) while cutting costs by closing poorly producing brick and mortar locations (kingdomhalls).”

Still feel the same?

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why the watchtower is so short of money

by pepperheart in

the watchtower is so short of money because they have to pay for all the upkeep of so many branch offices around the world.because so many of the branch offices are in very poor countries and they are not balancing the budgets.

_Morpheus

How long can a bakery survive without charging for cakes, or a shoe shop without charging for shoes?
Quite frankly, it’s a wonder that Watchtower has managed to survive as long as it has!

Round and round we go.... as noted many times before, The wt was never a publishing house in the traditional sense. They simply use the publications as a means to separate the flock from their money. They have always been a religion with their members as their source of income. As long as they have members they have “shoes to sell”, to use your flawed analogy.

Also, you admit to being supprised they have lasted this long.... at what point do you realize your assumptions are clearly flawed?