Posts by _Morpheus

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"The Branch did not approve of us to get a video security system"

by James Jack in

this was the reply i was given by our coordinator at our recent kingdom hall security meeting.. he explained that they aren't allowed to buy any appliances or do any changes to the kingdom hall without branch approval.

"we put in our letter that a video security system could be purchased for around $600 locally and an app could be downloaded for the attendants to monitor the cameras what's going onoutside.

" they said;" such a system would not be needed in our area of the country, if standard protocols of security are followed as outline by the branch.

_Morpheus

Morph, the local KH found their roofing shingles at a steep discount compared to the price that the LDC had. Nope. They supply all for the project. Don't rock the boat. Theocratic Order. Blah blah etc, etc.

ahh ok i see what your saying. The example helped to clarify.. The problem is it may not be “like for like” in the case of the items on sale. Cheaper quality etc etc... the fact is, there is no kickback setup for the ldc to purchase at a higher price and the branch to get the difference.

Its pure and simple a typical corporate move. As they become more centralized they dont want locals making decisions. The group that works at corporates direction kisses ass at all cost and obeys the letter of the law no matter how stupid.

if you want a kick back scam there has been one around for a long while... well besides the kh scam itself.

Look at circuit leasing.

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"The Branch did not approve of us to get a video security system"

by James Jack in

this was the reply i was given by our coordinator at our recent kingdom hall security meeting.. he explained that they aren't allowed to buy any appliances or do any changes to the kingdom hall without branch approval.

"we put in our letter that a video security system could be purchased for around $600 locally and an app could be downloaded for the attendants to monitor the cameras what's going onoutside.

" they said;" such a system would not be needed in our area of the country, if standard protocols of security are followed as outline by the branch.

_Morpheus

Morph, it's true that they have volume discounts, but if locals find the same product at a lower price, they still have to purchase through the LDC

No, they do not.

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"The Branch did not approve of us to get a video security system"

by James Jack in

this was the reply i was given by our coordinator at our recent kingdom hall security meeting.. he explained that they aren't allowed to buy any appliances or do any changes to the kingdom hall without branch approval.

"we put in our letter that a video security system could be purchased for around $600 locally and an app could be downloaded for the attendants to monitor the cameras what's going onoutside.

" they said;" such a system would not be needed in our area of the country, if standard protocols of security are followed as outline by the branch.

_Morpheus

To the OP, its tragic and yet its the way the org has gone. The LDC has taken over, at the request of the branch, everything. Nothing is local anymore and with no feeling of individual ownership i predict it will lead to less and less care by local witnesses.

This, on the other hand...:

Lots of halls have security cameras. The objection is probably that it is not an apporved system; meaning it has to be bought from an approved supplier and installed by him, for several thousand $$$ (with kickback).

Is ludicrous. They have a program for volume discounts already on lots of things. No kickbacks. Stop with the foolishness already.

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Do you know which Watchtower publication this picture came from?

by McLovin in

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_Morpheus

I sincerely hope a two hour Cedars video about that image

😂😂 he will claim to have the image exclusively 😂😂😂😂

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Do you know which Watchtower publication this picture came from?

by McLovin in

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_Morpheus

I dont object to yelling those words, @running away. I yell them everyday. Few seem to listen.

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Asylum Caravan

by dubstepped in

alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

_Morpheus

https://www.hannity.com/media-room/tapped-out-tijuana-mayor-says-city-cant-cope-with-30000-per-day-bill-for-migrant-caravan/

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Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Bother You At All?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i faded from the religion and simply didn’t go back.

once people understood that my family and i left, people in the congregation didn’t know what to do.

should they call me, visit me, leave me alone?

_Morpheus

Im more bothered by some of the former jw’s 😂😂

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

_Morpheus

Fat, i appreciate the logical response. My retort is above. That is a recension, plain as day. You remark regarding anecdotal accounts is exactly right. I have known plenty of jw’s who would take a shot at apostates, given a chance. That doesn't make it wt policy, it doesnt mean the wt org teaches such actions.

im simply presenting things as they are, not as some would wish them to be.

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

_Morpheus

I took it that the phrase ''Several years ago...... I read'' to be past tense,

Lol see! You arnt as stupid as you pretend :) you do know “several years ago” is past tense and, im assuming, you are then smart enough to know it doesn't mean, in any context other than geology, 65 years ago.

Common ground is amazing!

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They would Stone us if the law would allow

by ElderEtta in

several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

_Morpheus

Face palms. Just palms in faces all over. Its hard not to think some of you play stupid for laughs, and yet i know some of it is sincere. For the sake of discussion, i will treat it as sincere...

here is the OP:

Several years ago unless I was dreaming I read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.

None of that is phrased as past tense or historical. Its all present tense and phrased to read, to anyone for whom english is their first language , as if this was written a few years ago and still current watchtower thought. Thats why it matters. To try and play as if this is any way current makes all who leave the org or who criticize the org look like idiots. We take quotes from 65 years ago and run with them, making them appear to have been printed a mere “several years ago”. Thats factually and purposefully dishonest and undermines real debate on the organization. It ruins credibility. Thats why it matters.

Before this goes off the rails, yes the quote is relevant, in context and with the proper historical perspective. When a source like jwfacts quotes the wt, with date and publication references, its completelty legitimate for discussion... but without that acknowledgment and source reference its deceitful and underhanded. Of course the OP has been meet with the usual froth of “yea the wt is evil!” With few willing to have the honest discussion as to how long ago this was... no we would rather jump up and down and get in a tizzy if anyone points out how foolish this whole thing is or tries to add the least bit of perspective.

But dont let me throw the cold water of logic on your pep rally. Continue as you were :)