Posts by _Morpheus

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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness

by EdenOne in

based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.

the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.

the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.

_Morpheus

I think it's an interesting civilizational discussion to have, to say the least.
I feel strongly that institutionalized shunning and discrimination cannot be allowed to a religious entity, especially when that is used as a form of punishment that extends beyond the boundaries of the membership to said institution

i agree, of course, but no law can or will change it. They (the jw’s) will lie regarding the nature of shunning and no one can prove otherwise. They will also say its individual choices. Its fruitless. But if it makes you feel better then again by all means mount up and charge. No harm will come from it and legal challanges have merit even if unsuccessful, but i doubt they will hear it. The ramifications would be too far reaching.

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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness

by EdenOne in

based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.

the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.

the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.

_Morpheus

Yea thats what i figured john. As i noted its not my time being wasted and if tilting at windmills is someones thing then by all means mount up, don... but this aint going anywhere. Zero chance.

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Do you know any good novel about faith crisis?

by paradiseseeker in

jw
friends

i'm looking for something to read.

i'm interested in ecclesiastical settings like churches and gothic cities.

but the most important thing i look for is the inner thoughts and evolution of the main character: his/her feelings of guilt, regular visits to the confessor, self-comfort drawn from faith, praying god/saints, relapses and self-loathing as well as his/her process of "waking up".. i know it's something very particular and there's a lot of junk literature about the topic with poor writing and archetype characters, but if you have read anything of good quality, i would be very glad to know.. thank you in advance..

_Morpheus

Crisis of conscience. It has all the elements you asked for, including the character progression of a cult leader realizing the truth about the cult he was unwittingly leading. Its a good read.

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Gun Nuts...

by silentbuddha in

anyone here into guns.

i know alot of the euros here hate the idea but i wonder if there are any other members who are collectors or who are into hunting, target shooti g etc.. no shame zone?.

_Morpheus

I have a question: Is there a standard definition of what makes one a "gun nut"?

precisely why i declined to address the OP

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Gun Nuts...

by silentbuddha in

anyone here into guns.

i know alot of the euros here hate the idea but i wonder if there are any other members who are collectors or who are into hunting, target shooti g etc.. no shame zone?.

_Morpheus

And please remember that guns - when used as a weapon - are inherently an offensive weapon. Not a defensive one.

If you are refering to use in the commission of crimes you are course correct. If you are refering to use in home defense (as the context of your remarks imply) you are unbelievably ignorant as to the word “offensive” or purposefully perverting it to push your nazi/leftist gun confiscation agenda.

Molon labe

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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness

by EdenOne in

based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.

the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.

the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.

_Morpheus

Then, with 1000 signatures, the petition can not be dismissed on the basis of inadmissibility and the petitioner must be given an audience at the parliament to present the case. The petition also gets published in the official "Diário da República" paper, where all the laws are also published.

I see... so, and im just asking, what if you started a petition to ban the word “cucumber” and got 1000 people to sign onto that... whats the next step? Is there no means by which parliament could say “this is rediculious and we aren't wasting time on it”? They would have to hear you out on the subject of banning the word cucumber? And then, after giving opportunity to speak on banning the word cucumber, am i correct in understanding that they are not obligated to take any action? Again, just curious...

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Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

by _Morpheus in

so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

post a pic of your ride.....

_Morpheus

Let the street glide tempt you... that 107 is a sweet motor....

loved the rebel. The school i went to years ago used 250 rebels to teach... happy memories ;)

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Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

by _Morpheus in

so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

post a pic of your ride.....

_Morpheus

Startingover on the dirt bike! I never got a chance to ride db’s living around here which is a shame because looks like massive fun

snare, how bad did you lay it down?? Totaled? Did you walk away?

@never, that color is sweet! Love it!

Outtahere, whats the make? I cant tell from the pic. I see the cooler in the front but i cant tell anything else...

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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness

by EdenOne in

based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.

the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.

the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.

_Morpheus

1/4 of the goal of 1.000 has been reached.

Out of curiosity, then what?

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The Red Headed League

by dropoffyourkeylee in

i am sitting here watching my pioneering wife get service time ‘writing letters’ to not-at-homes.

she has a long list of names and addressees where the jws in field service never got anyone home.

the letter is simply a word for word copy, handwritten on note paper, then sent in the usmail.

_Morpheus

And to continue the parallel the distinction (red headed league) was made arbitrarily based on a physical characteristic. Jws make an arbitrary distinction amongst themselves based on how much time one spends proselytizing. They even think they are different just because they are jw’s. When you step back and look it is indeed as ludicrous as a red headed league.