Lol oh brother ... yes you have argued that and many have pointed out how rediculious it is. Cut them up any way you want. Congregation number is arbitrary and ephemeral. It means nothing. Total pubs (membership) is the ONLY number that counts. Congregations mean nothing. Deep down you know this but it gives you something to point to so you cling to it... im not going to lead the sanity charge on this today. Tilting at that windmill will have to fall to someone else today.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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Drawing moral equivalencies between the blood policy and what gorby describes clouds the issue and obsecures the base line question.
Gorby is asking if they would plan and commit a cold blooded murder to cover-up some “information”. There is no information conceivable that would bring the cult down. Make somthing up and lets play the scenario out.... not only is the concept of some single piece of information that brings the org down silly, to suggest they would commit murder over it is beyond silly.
The blood policy is convincing someone to kill themself over a religious belief. Thats been happening since the dawn of time. alahu akbar and all that.
Its a false comparison and, at the risk of repeating myself, when we give credence to this sort of stupid we devalue all real criticisms of the org.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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Of course your free to ask, gorby. Im also free to point out how insane it is to consider the org planning and following through on a cold blooded murder over some imaginary piece of information that could ruin them. Its ridiculous. Someone suggested a month or so ago that the gb may assassinate those who claim to be annointed. That is also stupid and beyond the pale moronic. These things must be called what they are if the real discussions are to have any validity.
Oh slim one.... i feel a major thread derailment coming.... but why not!
Just because an organisation has survived problems in the past doesn’t mean it will survive problems in the future. That’s illogical. It’s like saying that because I survived measles as a child, therefore I won’t die of another illness tomorrow. It just doesn’t follow.
Terrible illustration. My point could well be expressed as “they survived chicken pox once and will do so again”.... but your illustration has no correlation.
Where history is relevant is looking for trends and comparisons. On this front JWs resemble other organisations that have collapsed and many longstanding trends indicate they are in deep trouble. The fact that they may have survived this or other crisis or scandal decades ago is irrelevant to the current situation.
sigh... slim, again, i asked for comparable examples. You offered none. There are none. Your dead wrong about them ‘being in decline’ overall. They claim 8 million members and that isnt shrinking. Show me where membership is declining. All you can point to is a slowing down in growth. Hate to break it to you but growth is still growth. We can play games with ‘adjusted for population growth and adjusted for net births and deaths’ etc etc but the fact is they are still slowly growing. More members today than yesterday.
That isnt decline.
Again, i never said they are invulnerable, Your setting up a strawman. They could fall apart by 5pm est today. The earth could crash into the sun at 4:59 est today. Im saying neither is happening today. Both will happen eventually, but not in our life time.
Thats the differance between us slim. You want them to fail so badly you see whatever you need to and wish it so much you believe it has already happened or will happen soon, depending on what day it is... i believe they will fall as all organizations and institutions and governments and civilizations do... one day. Just not soon.
@janice- please refer to everything i just said to slim.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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@ray- yes, that is to whom i am referring.
Slim one, i can answer in a single word- History. The wt has more than 100 years of history on its side. 100 years of being wrong. 100 years of bad predictions. 100 years of claiming absolute truth while constantly changing “truth”. Imprisonment, bans, bad press, leadership changes, on and on and on... the cult continues. Its not impervious, no institution is, but show me a church that failed after having at least 100 years of success? I cant think of any, at least not easily. They arnt going away.
History says they plod on. Prove me wrong.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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There was a pedophile. On the governing body.
It didnt bring the org down. Very few cared then and even fewer now know or care.
The org didnt kill anyone. They payed a few people off, including the pedo, and life went on.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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Come on gorby...
1) there is no secret, no tidbit, no nugget, no piece of information anywhere that would ever bring the cult down. Period. It dosent exist. You do know there was a pedo on the gb...? The org is still here. It. Wont. Happen. That information does not now nor will ever exist. The whole premise is flawed.
2) your asking if the gb would ever as a group approve of and put in motion a murder. Thats so insane its beyond words. Its the crazy ass apostate questions that dubbs like to point to and say “see, apostates are insane”. Its patently stupid and beyond the pale. Get a grip gorby.
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What happned to the Quick Builds
by blownaway inso the qbs were huge in the 80s and 90s, now i hear nothing.
have they stopped?.
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_Morpheus
WINNER!!!!!
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What happned to the Quick Builds
by blownaway inso the qbs were huge in the 80s and 90s, now i hear nothing.
have they stopped?.
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I said what i meant, mac 😎
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R.I.P Margot Kidder { Lois Lane} 1948-2018
by smiddy3 ini was saddened to hear this ,she was only 69 yrs old and i thought she played a great lois lane in the superman movie.. in her life she obviously had issues to deal with and not the best of outcomes sometimes .. r.i.p.
margot kidder , 1948- 2018.
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_Morpheus
I have always enjoyed superhero movies.
My entire life.
And THAT movie is why. Christpher reeve WAS superman. Margot kidder WAS lois lane. No matter how great some of these current marvel movies are (and some of them are great) nothing will compare to that first superman. Lois wasnt just some passing love interest. She was what made the man of steel human. It was his attachment to her that made everything else work and the chemistry between kidder and reeve made the on screen interaction superb. Neither of them really ever saw greatness beyond superman 1&2 but those performances were indeed great!
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What happned to the Quick Builds
by blownaway inso the qbs were huge in the 80s and 90s, now i hear nothing.
have they stopped?.
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Que slim in 3...2....
aside from the gloom and doom chorus, the “wuick builds” went away in the early 2000’s. The logic presented was “too much time planning, too many moving pices to coordinate” etc etc.... the reality was they were NEVER 3 days builds. Ever. I worked on plenty and they always had months of planning ahead of time, foundations were dug and poured at least two months out, sewer and water a couple of months, power a couple weeks minimum etc etc...
what was done the weekend of the build was impressive in some respects but ultimately pointless. We tilted up prefab walls on Thursday, set roof trusses on Friday, nailed shingle underlayment and tar paper and began shingling. Inside drywall went up on fridays (tile was already laid and covered to protect) etc etc... it was a ton of work but my god there hundreds of people standing around doing nothing most of the time not to mention the huge food service that was necessary and lots of uncessary saftey risks with so many untrained people wandering around. It never lived up to the hype since we always spent weeks going back doing punch list items anyway not to mention the months leading up. It was a dog and pony show and ended up not being well supported by experianced tradmem. The new thing is the “ldc” local design committee crap.