Posts by _Morpheus

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

_Morpheus

Lol oh slim.... your making a career of misquoting me. I

never said just fine.

I never said sophisticated online religion.

I have said that print is dying and rhey are making adjustments. I have said they are no longer in their hayday and cant afford to build or expand without regard for money anymore. They are not what they once were.

Now let me quote you accurately: yesterday you said they are right now collapsing. Thats what you said on this very thread one page ago. A few min ago you said they may be around 80 more years.

You are the playing a high level game of “hedge your bets”. No matter what happens you have position that covers it.

And i can totally accept that any growth is coming from small or perhaps underdeveloped countries. I dont know or really care where it is.

And again with the census? Ive already addressed in detail why jw’s may not self report to the government. Their organization instills fear of satans world that will anyday now (if they dont collapse) turn on them. Of course they dont self report. Also also, canada is one country. How in the world can i know or have insight on what the census in Canada means for world wide jw populations? Neither can you, my uk based friend.

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

_Morpheus

Everyone remain calm! I have not now nor have i for many years now given one single damn as to whether or not the watchtower bible and track society “collapses” or not.

I do however, care about a realistic assessment of facts. Understanding reality is necessary to deal with reality.

The org still grows. Notice the facts i presented earlier:

2016- 8,340,847 1.8% increase

2017- 8,457,107 1.4% increase

Incontrovertable evidance of growth. Growth is the opposite of collapse. As i have also said, ad nauseum, the org will indeed one day collapse. All things die. Every country, every government, every institution, every planet, star and the universe itself will one day collapse.

But lets be realistic about when. It aint today, as slim just claimed. It wont be tomorrow. It will be one day. Look at what truly is not what you wish it to be. This is the path to inner peace.

Your welcome.

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Sometimes it's the little things....

by dubstepped in

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i'm listening to a podcast where a former elder describes how another elder conducted the watchtower study about hyperbole.

the elder called it hyper-bowl.

soon the whole congregation called it hyper-bowl.

_Morpheus

Please. Pronounce “laurel”

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murders at school

by zeb in

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at a school in santa fe in the us.

many people killed and wounded.

.

_Morpheus

Bombs next? He had bombs planted.

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

_Morpheus

Yet, when I see these debates, I see slim taking multiple sides. Look at this thread. 1 hour slim says
Literally, the next hour, he says this
This is what I'm not getting, which is it? Is the org going to have a mass exodus and collapse or simply disintegrate and slowly shrink.

Actually I think just now is exactly the time to expect a mass exodus. We are at a major turning point.

And I’m curious how Morph will react in the months and years to come as the organisation continues to disintegrate.

*boom*! DB drops the mike.

And of course slim, theres never a war between us, just feisty differences of opinion, much like the union and confederacy. I tease , of course ;) love ya slim. Even if your deluded

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

_Morpheus

Allow me to quote myself, from 10 min ago:

Its ok slim. It helps me pass slow days at work too....

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If you're expecting a mass exodus anytime soon, FORGET ABOUT IT!

by nowwhat? in

i have to make a token appearance at the k.h.

once a month or so and this week went to a different hall.

and believe me they are all still totally oblivious to all the negative news about the pedophiles and shunning that have come under scrutiny by the media and other governments.

_Morpheus

you didnnt miss this thread, you have simply forgotten about it amongst the volumes you have written to convince yourself of your delude view regarding the wt future. Please see page two of this topic for the begining of your dissertation.

since your here, oh slime one, should i add that last post to your many timelines? Your say NOW the collapse is happening? And when the 2018 stats hit and there is some small growth, what then? Will you finally give up the gloom and doom game?

I think not. You enjoy this Baghdad bob game of finding any stat or reason to believe your clearly wrong view. Its ok slim. It helps me pass slow days at work too....

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Material such as the film at the end of this years convention confirms that I was right to take my kids out the religion

by jambon1 in

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it’s quite affirming to see the horrific material that they’re serving up at the convention this year.

aside from blatant homophobia, the scenes at the end of the convention that are discussed on another thread stoop to new levels of fear mongering.

it seems to occur to nobody inside the organisation that this kind of material could trigger fear, deprsssion, anxiety, stress.

_Morpheus

Sorry slim one but you are misrepresenting my words and even lying (!!!) about what i said.

i drew no correlation between moral and reporting religious affiliation on a census. Thats your words, not mine.

People dont self identify because they dont want the geovernment having any more information than is absolutely required. Witness tend to be paranoid, especially since their organization says governments will turn on them annnnnyyy day now.... so no i dont trust them to self identify.

And i refuse to go down the congregation counting road again. Your purposefully obtuse on that because you think it fits your narrative. 5 pennies is the same as one nickel. Trading 5 pennies for one nickle dosent represent a net decrease in your finances.

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Material such as the film at the end of this years convention confirms that I was right to take my kids out the religion

by jambon1 in

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friends

it’s quite affirming to see the horrific material that they’re serving up at the convention this year.

aside from blatant homophobia, the scenes at the end of the convention that are discussed on another thread stoop to new levels of fear mongering.

it seems to occur to nobody inside the organisation that this kind of material could trigger fear, deprsssion, anxiety, stress.

_Morpheus

Regarding homophobia, i am of the opinion that it is overused and misapplied. Few people meet the clinical definition of “phobic” regarding homosexuality. Im not trying to derail the topic, the video is twisted and culty as culty can be.

I cannot nor will i speak to results of a census as it relates to populations a minor religious group. Theres a dozen reason the census may not capture a population of specific religious group, including people in that group not wanting to self identify to the government (see the video noted in the op as a reason why). Facts are facts. They have grown. Every year for the last 30+ (since the 1975 debacle). Not a lot recently but growth IS growth no matter how hard you try to spin it.

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Material such as the film at the end of this years convention confirms that I was right to take my kids out the religion

by jambon1 in

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friends

it’s quite affirming to see the horrific material that they’re serving up at the convention this year.

aside from blatant homophobia, the scenes at the end of the convention that are discussed on another thread stoop to new levels of fear mongering.

it seems to occur to nobody inside the organisation that this kind of material could trigger fear, deprsssion, anxiety, stress.

_Morpheus

A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation. The phobia typically results in a rapid onset of fear and is present for more than six months.

wintesses are not phobic regarding homosexuals. They in no way meet the definition of a phobia. They do, however, hold to their bronze religious belief that homosexual behavior earns gods disfavor and eventual death. That may be backwards, judgmental, and distasteful but its not “phobic”.

Also, the religion is not collapsing. Who could guess i would take that position????? The facts are:

2016- 8,340,847 1.8% increase over 2015

2017- 8,457,107 1.4% increase over 2016

thats not collapse. Thats slow growth. Yes slim, compared to the hayday its nothing, i agree. Its a decline compared to old days... but facts are facts, no matter how hard you try to avoid them. They are still slowly growing, despite the around 40 or 50k a year who leave, die or are df’d.

so with my obligatory rant aside, that video is twisted and sick. I tend to agree with the view that they want to prune off some of the dead weight. I dont think they view it that way per say, but they cleary want the faithful deep in the fold mentally and if that drives away fence sitters so be it.