figures from that latest 2-weekend convention in caridff (wales) reveal jw “growth” now in decline.
baptisms are discouragingly low (21, combined), and circuit overseers have been primed to deal with assemblies where there are no baptisms; see these leaked 2018 instructions:.
pdf summary: https://1drv.ms/b/s!arekzxkzlp8ybsl45pov7y6k26a.
There was a very brief time where it was sort of kind of allowed. There was also a brief time where people were df’d for even asking to be rebaptized.
For 99.99999999999% of the orgs history it has not and is not now the policy to rebaptise individuals. Further more such a rebaptsium wouldnt change the orgs numbers one bit. It would be the exact same number of publishers. Its interesting to discuss historically. Its stupid to suggest it as some sort of fraud in the future.
figures from that latest 2-weekend convention in caridff (wales) reveal jw “growth” now in decline.
baptisms are discouragingly low (21, combined), and circuit overseers have been primed to deal with assemblies where there are no baptisms; see these leaked 2018 instructions:.
pdf summary: https://1drv.ms/b/s!arekzxkzlp8ybsl45pov7y6k26a.
This has never been an "option" - what you have described is not, and has never been, anything JWs have ever done.
These speculations about "rebaptisms" possibly being required are loonier than even "overlapping generations".
Thank you. I lacked words to describe how loony toons that discussion is. Id like to categorize it as “dumbest post of the week” but its only Wednesday.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
Obviously you didnt. Perhaps you could share quotes backing your assertion.
Also your wrong regarding threats to the president. Here is one i witnessed live:
Never prosecuted. Not that it has any relevance, but i like showing actual proof of my statements.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
I passed over this thread a few times, because I didn't think it would go in the direction it has... JW's/ExJ's??? You know, as someone who left the cult over two decades ago, I sometimes forget how susceptible cult survivors are to cult mentality in other forms
did you really read the comments? You know, actually think about what was said...? Or did you just click and jump to type the first ‘former cult members are still in a cult’ comment you could think of? Im betting the latter.
Had you actually, you know, “read” the comments you wouldnt have found support for jones personally but rather support for the idea of free speech and engaging ideas, no matter how stupid they may be and fear that anyone group would dare to put themselves as arbitors of whats worthwhile or gate keepers of ideas.
As always i encourage you to read what was actually written, not what you want to have been written.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
His site is getting TONS of traffic and he has gained 100k’s of followers on twitter, who didnt ban him. This is how it works. As popular as he is, he has the ablity to stay relevant. It hurts those who are not as popular when they are muted, but if this hurts fbook and other platforms (as it will to some degree) they may bot be so willing in the future to take similar action.
Money talks, everything else walks.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
Mmm, no argument from me. Its very targeted and very specific to jones who many credit with getting trump elected (not accurate, in my view). This is clearly nonsense and they cant back it up or apply it consistantly... but that dosent change my view. Its their right. And its the right of those who dont agree to refuse to do business with them.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
Yes, they are private companies but it seems they got together and decided to take this action collectively in response to the desire of elected officials.
Yep, kinda seems like collusion...
This is different than if a company just decided to ban someone because they violated site policy.
no it isnt, fortunately. Business have an absolute right to make those decisions and we as customers have the right to complain and take our business elsewhere. The political right owns talk radio... should radio stations be forced to give air time to left leaning hosts, even if the shows are unpopular and dont make money? I say no way. If Twitter and fb become unfriendly to so called conservative or right leaning voices then those users will leave. Thats freedom my friend. I would never trade it.
what the heck.. i couldn't believe it, norm brekkie and tom combs are still alive.. norm is so out of it he couldn't tell you what day of the week it was.. i talked to larry fisher he is gone mentally also.
he couldn't even remember when he went to bethel.. then i called up daryl christenson.
he wasn't so friendly.
Newboy is a former bethelite and has written a soon to be published book on his experiances. This thread is a good start
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5466622169972736/introduction-chapter-1-new-boy-inside-look-world-headquarters-jehovahs-witnesses
He apparently called today to speak to old friends and related the experiances above.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
Discussing the constitution with regard to twitter, fb, apple podcast hosting etc, is pointless. The first amendment has NOTHING to do with private platforms, be it newspapers or modern tech portals.
That said, i wouldnt ever want any voice banned, even if it was commies.
Theres a huge difference, btw, between banning trolls and banning ideas you personally dont like. Trolls who show up and drop a few random curse words or show up and spam the forum with advertising are easy bans. Personally, i wouldnt want so called jw apologists banned. Let them speak and let us retort. Im in favor of debating ideas passionately, even stupid ass concepts like flat earth.
Banning jones is a huge mistake.
what the heck.. i couldn't believe it, norm brekkie and tom combs are still alive.. norm is so out of it he couldn't tell you what day of the week it was.. i talked to larry fisher he is gone mentally also.
he couldn't even remember when he went to bethel.. then i called up daryl christenson.
he wasn't so friendly.
When i saw the thread tittle i couldnt help but roll my eyes, another clown calls bethel and wants to cry foul when some operator wont confess that the gb keep goats chained up their room for sexual abuse....
then i realized it was you and i quickly decided to read the thread since you are reasonable and actually KNOW how bethel works...
so, my preamble aside, its sad to realize how much and how long some people have dedicated, and for nothing. It really comes home in a case like you cited where you call old friends and they are “out of it”, as you describe. I look back and see how i was on that path, although bethel itself showed me how bad an idea a career there was... still looking forward to the book, btw :)
