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  The Case for Theism

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.

  " ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.

  atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.

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  Stating I don't know is what atheism is. It is no different than aclausism. I can't prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist somewhere out there. But the burden of proof is not on the negative claim "Santa doesn't exist" rather it is on the assertion that something or someone exists "Santa exists".

  In order for the hypothesis of Gods to hold up falsifiable evidence must be provided by the one postulating such. One has to start from atheism for an evidence based theorem to hold up. If one starts from a belief in clausism/theism the results are more often than not tainted by bias.
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  Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

  i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

  if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

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  YouTube evid3nc3 "Why I Am No Longer A Christian". Not a book but powerful nonetheless.
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  My Parents Lost Forever?

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my father served in the second world war.

  he served in the south pacific.

  he loved his time in the military and my mother was more than supporting.

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  Jean luc. I can only imagine what you go through. I wouldn't be able to sleep either.
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  My Parents Lost Forever?

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my father served in the second world war.

  he served in the south pacific.

  he loved his time in the military and my mother was more than supporting.

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  So sorry for your loss Jean luc.
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  A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

  i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

  the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

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  It surprises me that you have been out that long. You still come across as so judgemental. Religion stops critical thinking and citing what I can only imagine are utilitarian examples in no way makes what one believes about a higher power true.

  I value truth above all else including God. If what you state is true than it has nothing to fear from criticism. It will hold up to all as it is "true". If you are unwilling to examine the other side how are you or others that believe the same as you any different than a jw that calls all who disagree with there annointed leaders apostates?
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  A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

  i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

  the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

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  Your approach has been tried. Most here are not opposing wt. Rabid is also an interesting choice of words. Pretty judgemental I think. Before you continue to cast stones at what you know not, continue your research.

  You obviously have started to wake up to the fact that the GB has made many mistakes. Is it possible much of religion as a whole has as well, and why stop there with your critical thinking. If you have truth or just accept something as truth what is the evidence for it. Blind faith is just that blind, it stops critical thinking.

  I recommend checking out the truth that a former Pentecostal came to with much study about his religion and how he valued truth above all else. YouTube evid3nc3. I would only check it out though if you value truth above all else.
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  Some common words that are applicable in practical use with the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization

  by Finkelstein in

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  i'll start the ball rolling .... .

  coercive.

  pretentious.

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  No freedom of speech
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  DJS - what I have read and heard from Harris is his way of addressing spiritual as you use the word Karma. He is starting a conversation with this book on the subject. Perhaps 100 years from now we will refer to this as a neo-virtual experience or some other term that provide specific physical knowledge about the areas of the brain that are being affected and how it is helpful or harmful.

  If we don't talk about this and chalk it up as just woo how do we grow in our understanding. How will we learn and help humanity break free from the ridiculous superstitions that have burdened us for millennia?
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  One of the things I appreciated about Harris's book is his approach to the subject. He is an atheist, neuroscientist, and part of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. He gets heat from both sides of the divide with his premise. Theists for taking their cherished religious enlightenment experiences and applying the scientific method to it. Atheists for using the term spirituality in anything but negative terms.

  He postulates that the only way to help people get free from religion is to address their woo and apply the scientific method to it. Much like religion stated that they hold the only means to morality. He also shows how near death experiences are similar to those in deep meditation.

  I believe the only way we can win this battle against the evil of religion is to confront it on every front. Scientists like Harris, are doing this. Harris with the micro or inner workings of the mind and Krauss with the macro with the beginning of the universe. These are the areas theists and religionists use as a last resort to end discussions. Once these are fully vetted out there will be no other arena for them to go.
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  Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

  by FusionTheism in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

  i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

  also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

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  Fusion theism. They are damned either way as they have much blood on their hands. Have you lost a loved one to their insane blood policy or from a shunning induced suicide? I almost lost my young child because of this group.

  I was a faithful true believer for most of my life. Pioneered, served at bethel, was an elder for nearly a decade. I bought it all hook line and sinker. My circumstances forced me to open my eyes to the cult this organization truly is. Due to not being exposed to the indoctrination on a regular basis because of my child's condition the double speak and manipulation became more and more apparent.

  I get the sense that you are still regular at meetings and trying to see how you and perhaps others that are like minded can make it better from within. It is a fools errand. For goodness sake a member of their highest order couldn't do it. The birds are coming home to roost.

  The jw cult must die. There is nothing it can do to make up for the damage it has left in its wake. Again much blood is on their heads.