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  Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson

  by azor in

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  listening to 2 of my current favorite thinkers debate/discussion.

  i've been looking forward to this since i found out about it a month ago.

  hope some of you get a chance to listen.

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  Then don't listen when they do.
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  Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson

  by azor in

  1. jw
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  listening to 2 of my current favorite thinkers debate/discussion.

  i've been looking forward to this since i found out about it a month ago.

  hope some of you get a chance to listen.

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  I think Peterson might be on to something with evolutionary archetypal mythology as an undercurrent of human development. I was hoping that was what Harris and him would cover.

  It appears to me as part of his study into the evil in human nature that he has become a man that sees malice where it doesn't exist. He truly fears the naturalistic/materialistic worldview, and seems to see demons around every corner. Heavily influenced by Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, and Hume.

  Hopefully they will have another podcast and get into a discussion that moves beyond the definition of truth.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  Flipper I think it's more about people being unwilling or unable to admit their wrong. Apparently there is no middle ground on this subject. It is pretty apparent who the unhinged ones are on this topic. Post after post of one side demonising hundreds of thousands of people, the other admitting to errors yet supporting the majority of those exercising their right to freedom of speech and assembly.

  I've said it before and I'll say it again the false equivalency has been astonishing. All to hold ones ground. I think it's shameful.
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

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  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  Great post Cofty. I couldn't agree with you more. And for those who haven't read the "moral landscape" should have it at the top of their reading list for 2017. Such a well laid out book and argument.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  SJW - is also very closely tied to the black lives matter movement. It typically refers to people who are fighting the system for specific victim groups. This particular strain of regressive leftism is in my opinion the most damaging element therein.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  JRK Social Justice Warrior
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  I have no problem calling a spade a spade like radical Islamic terrorism. Politics is not a zero sum game. There is much nuance and gray areas. People that see and try to pidgeon hole large swaths of people into a black and white group scare me. I have no doubt that the majority of the people that went to this march have the noblest of intents. I do not believe it is appropriate to insult them with the minority that are highlighted.

  Opposition forces must stand up against the other side, and will as it is how the world turns. I like how Haidt speaks to the discord we are seeing as a western religiously initiated manacheistic thinking. Us vs. Them. Rather then the more natural way of the world which is more daoist.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  Simon as I've said before this is not a zero sum endeavor. I agree there are serious problems on the left. That doesn't negate the merit of this march. I have also not compared trump to Hitler. Some have and their wrong at this point. To say he is no worse then Reagan is hyperbole as well. Again their has not been a President as dangerous as trump is in the last 100 years if not the entire history of the U.S.

  When the center left condemns a large portion of their own as loons they are pushed directly into to extremist hands. That is what I'm worried about with these types of general condemnations.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  Nope not all you Simon. I think I listen to and read many of the same things you do, and agree and disagree with some of the things said.

  One of the things I disagree with most vehemently is the smug attitude of too many of these intellectuals toward the average citizen participating in events like this one.

  This is one of the many things pushing those in the center to the extremes.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  Simon. Keep pushing the centrists to the extremes. Good job.