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  Stop Jehovah's Witnesses from posting outside of Disneyland

  by Roberto Carlos in

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  please sign petition to have disneyland stop jw's preaching outside gate.

  click here to sign petition (not spam, real link).

  jehovah's witnesses have been involved in vast amount of pedophilia cases.

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  azor

  Steve2 the jw's were recently in an enclosed mall near my home in Ontario, CA. The scientilogists had a kiosk full of their books inside the Glendale, CA mall. It is my right as a customer to bring attention to the objectionable nature of the groups pitching their beliefs at the public.

  Anyone can oppose a group/groups utilization of a public space. I also find their signage highly objectionable as do many others.

  Another question for you Steve2. Would you feel the same of the KKK, Jones's, heavens gate or any other dangerous cult political or otherwise, were utilizing your public or private spaces to recruit innocent passersby?
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  Was/Is Religion Useful Even if it isn't True?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his book "the righteous mind" jonathan haidt proposes that religion served - and continues to serve an important role in bringing about cohesion within non-kin groups.. to put it very briefly haidt advocates a form of group selection but only insofar as it applies to humans.

  our unique brains have made it possible for us to cooperate in groups in ways that are impossible for all non-human species.

  despite their intelligence you will never see two chimps helping each other to carry the same log or one chimp pulling down a branch while the other removes the fruit.. his description is that humans are 90% chimp and 10% bee.

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  Jordan Peterson has made another interesting observation about religion that I find thought provoking although controversial. How it developed as an archetype to benefit us as individuals, our families, and our communities, today, tomorrow, a year from now, and as a civilization a hundred years from now, and so on. I was really hoping he and Harris would have gotten into that when they spoke.
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  Stop Jehovah's Witnesses from posting outside of Disneyland

  by Roberto Carlos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please sign petition to have disneyland stop jw's preaching outside gate.

  click here to sign petition (not spam, real link).

  jehovah's witnesses have been involved in vast amount of pedophilia cases.

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  azor

  Steve2 - I understand your position now. I disagree and believe it is especially appropriate to dispute strongly carts on private property like airports, outside a theme park, indoor malls, even public streets outside hospitals.

  I have seen all of the above. The last one was on the public sidewalk just outside the entry to a children's hospital where my son was getting chemo for leukemia. Damn ambulance chasers. They give lawyers a run for their money. I complained to the hospital and they left after hospital security approached them. I also complained to a local mall about scientologists having a kiosk in the center of the mall.

  I believe all religious institutions not just JW's should be opposed on publicly paid for property. As should their charitable status. Any organisation that acts in opposition to the U.N. charter that addresses freedom of and from religion. JW's, Scientologists, and other groups like them that practice shunning should be a principle opposition by pro freedom loving people, so as not to take advantage of our freedoms to enslave people and their progeny.

  Outlaw - excellent point.
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  Was/Is Religion Useful Even if it isn't True?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his book "the righteous mind" jonathan haidt proposes that religion served - and continues to serve an important role in bringing about cohesion within non-kin groups.. to put it very briefly haidt advocates a form of group selection but only insofar as it applies to humans.

  our unique brains have made it possible for us to cooperate in groups in ways that are impossible for all non-human species.

  despite their intelligence you will never see two chimps helping each other to carry the same log or one chimp pulling down a branch while the other removes the fruit.. his description is that humans are 90% chimp and 10% bee.

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  I think our own biases play a role in what level of atheism most come to. For example the four authors mentioned have very different backgrounds. The 2 that are more anti theist Dawkins, and Dennett were raised with religion. Haidt, and Harris were not.

  This does not take away from the veracity of their viewpoints. I just think it's important to know where one is coming from when considering their viewpoints. For example while I understand why Dennett and Dawkins refer to religion as a virus, I now find that viewpoint to be overly simplistic and incomplete.

  Just because religion helped us along the way in our development. It does not mean that it is right. Anymore then how our compassion for others drops when the number in need gets larger. I believe we need to grow beyond our baser instincts. In order to do that we need to understand how religion developed and what function it served.
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  How does this make you feel.......?

  by ScottyRex in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-7z1s5hik.

  and so many more on youtube disrupting jw's.

  how does this make you feel?.

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  Scotty most of your posts are criticizing activists. I find your judgement and derision to be appaling. I stand with the battered wife (ex jw's) not the abusive husband (watchtower).

  You seem to have a pattern of coming on this board every few months and throw a dig at those that have been beaten and abused by this organisation. Do I think a battered wife has a right to be bitter, yes I do. Do I think she should go slashing the tires of her husband's car or commit some other crime, no I don't. However I also wouldn't be drawing attention to it deriding her as part of the process.

  Go ahead keep backing the abuser. The abused haven't been through enough have they.
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  How does this make you feel.......?

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-7z1s5hik.

  and so many more on youtube disrupting jw's.

  how does this make you feel?.

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  Agreeing with something and deriding it are 2 different things. You continue to deride. I feel for the victims, like the battered wife.
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  How does this make you feel.......?

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-7z1s5hik.

  and so many more on youtube disrupting jw's.

  how does this make you feel?.

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  I'll tell you the same thing I told my still in JW stepmother. I feel for the people that are so torn up by the damage this cult has done to them and continues to do. If they had their families, acts like this would be even rarer then they already are.

  I remember how I used to feel towards the apostates outside of conventions when I was still brainwashed. I was extremely judgemental. Now I see it for what it is. Damaged people that are acting out. The chickens coming home to roost. Im actually surprised it doesn't happen more often. If only those that are so desperate that they kill themselves did this instead.

  What they need from us is less judgment and more understanding.

  Scotty your judgemental attitude continues to baffle me. Do you have no compassion?
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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  The crime in question rarely if ever has two witnesses.
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  Stop Jehovah's Witnesses from posting outside of Disneyland

  by Roberto Carlos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please sign petition to have disneyland stop jw's preaching outside gate.

  click here to sign petition (not spam, real link).

  jehovah's witnesses have been involved in vast amount of pedophilia cases.

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  azor

  Baker what the hell does that YouTube have to do with this subject.
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  The Evolution of Morality - Jonathan Haidt

  by cofty in

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  the question of how humans came to have a moral sense is one of the more interesting challenges offered by believers against unguided evolution.

  even informed christians who accept the reality of evolution feel a need to add an additional step where god imbued man with a conscience.. non-supernatural explanations of the origin of morality usually focus on simple examples of reciprocal altruism and the ability to empathise with fellow creatures.

  secular moral systems most often rest on the single foundation of the effects actions have on the well-being of conscious creatures.

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  Omnivores dilemma a term coined by Paul Rozin. Omnivores must seek out and explore new foods while remaining wary until they are proven safe.

  Omnivores therefore go thorough life with two competing motives. Neophilia (an attraction to new things) and neophobia (a fear of new things). People vary in terms of which motive is stronger. Liberals score higher on measures of neophilia (also known as openness to new experiences) and conservatives on neophoia. These carried over to more areas than just food. It carried over to new experiences, people, and music.

  The emotion of disgust evolved initially to deal with the omnivores dilemma.