Posts by Awakenednow

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John Lewis: Trump isn't a legitimate president

by Brokeback Watchtower in

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-lewis-trump-isnt-a-legitimate-president/ar-aalqsqs?li=bbmkt5r&ocid=spartanntp.

Awakenednow

The crimes are in the Wikileaks emails. Thousands of them. If you take the time to read them you'll see the bigger picture. The deep state act as arms and drug dealers (who do you think ( some of ) the CIA work for) all over the world and when countries don't play ball they get bombed with a big dose of democracy. Hilary is part of that group and it remains to be seen if trump is. It was supposed to be Hil v Jeb wasn't it? Y? Lybia was suing for peace when Hilary urged Obama to bomb them, Y? Congressman Kucinich was involved in the peace deal. Why has he been so quiet lately? The other congressman is in hiding. Y? Google it. So was France I.e. NATO, wanting control of Lybian oil fields, its in the emails, France complaining Ghadafi had to much gold and silver to hold out. One could conclude that the tragic embassy deaths were a sloppy cover up and the money was laundered somehow thru the Clinton foundation. It's funny how Ghadafi was for Obama and against Clinton (when running against each other) refusing to donate to the foundation and that other African nations followed his lead, and after his death they all started ponying up to the Clinton foundation. Look at the You-tube Gen Wesley Clarkes video about post 9/11 Middle East strategy straight from the dod. It's so much bigger then political parties, trump is not mussolini or Hitler, he's Trump and within his organization you'd be hard-pressed to find any who would characterize him as such a bad guy. give him a chance, think for yourself and do your own homework. The tv news people get paid to entertain us that's all, not report in total honesty. Hilary would have for sure followed the war with Russia drumbeats, ( see the Clarke statements) at least Trump isn't publicly yet. We will have to see about him. But if you are looking to sentimentally elect a leader (First black, woman, etc.) without properly vetting them, then we are all doomed. Watch Clinton chronicles , and verify its conclusions yourself, it's very interesting if you want clarity on the clintons.

And if that isn't enough, read up on the Lolita express. Bill and Hilary have both been to that island as the flight logs reflect. Sick people! Years ago I read the lawsuit transcripts due to a news headline. It's a buried story.

Look at Huma's family background, YouTube has some verifiable reports.

There is overwhelming evidence, but you have to do your own research' just like TTATT. First step is an open mind.

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Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!

by Skepsis in

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a month ago i decided to register in this board.

i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.

i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.

Awakenednow

P.s....the Congo move is good for the fade, step down at the same time citing adjustment period. I'd go super slow with the ex and avoid any negative org talk as that can impede a clean fade. Her CD could be triggered. She'll freak herself out and tell on you. (Or could) Fear of the unknown is natural, in career especially, enjoy each moment and your confidence will grow each day.

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Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!

by Skepsis in

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a month ago i decided to register in this board.

i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.

i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.

Awakenednow

Congratulations on following your heart and guarding your thinking abilities . My kids say to "just do you" as a mantra and I think it's worth saying to you. Guilt is an awful tool used to manipulate another's free will and self condemnation results. Depression has been described as anger turned against yourself and internalized. Stick up for yourself respectfully as it appears you are doing; positive and encouraging self talk is vital for mental health, listen to and follow your gut. No longer pioneering is not a sin, working full-time is not a sin, not acting as a ms is not a sin. You are choosing your life. If you feel good and strong about yourself in your career then it's what's right for you in the moment. You don't owe any an explanation at all. I'd let your happiness show at the hall, chin up. When asked you can say I love my life, life is good, what's not to be joyful about? The witness reaction is def cognitive dissonance as they've been trained to goad you to feel bad about yourself like the violin player convention video. If you want to step down, summit in writing with a simple explanation and don't comment further when pressed citing you've prayerfully and scriptural determined this to be what's best for you at this time. Period. Our tendency is to overexplain ourselves to justify a different opinion when we don't need to or owe it to anyone. If you remain respectful, joyful, calm and humbly confident they can't blame it on the boogeyman, but will accept it as your decision. Calm respectful firm Decisiveness puts them on defense. If someone gives you 'advice-opinion", thank them and say you'll prayerfully reflect on it and that's it. I wish you happiness, and blessings for a full life. Keep talking...here and with good friends (worldly lol). As stated by others here, it can take years to shake the fear, guilt-induced thinking and give yourself permission to truly enjoy your life. Don't quit, it's worth the effort and journey.

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Who is Gog/Magog?

by Cold Steel in

ezekiel spends two chapters (38-39) describing a war that either will never take place, or which has yet to take place.

according to the prophecy, the warlord gog, of magog, will 1) sweep down on israel, covering the land like a cloud.

this will happen in 2) the latter years when israel will 3) be a people “gathered out of many nations” and peoples.

Awakenednow

Haha Cofty....exactly

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Who is Gog/Magog?

by Cold Steel in

ezekiel spends two chapters (38-39) describing a war that either will never take place, or which has yet to take place.

according to the prophecy, the warlord gog, of magog, will 1) sweep down on israel, covering the land like a cloud.

this will happen in 2) the latter years when israel will 3) be a people “gathered out of many nations” and peoples.

Awakenednow

What always bugged me about any explanation is they apply it to JW's. the context is geographical and seems to me to obviously apply to Israel if taken literally as the GB takes at least a portion literal in asserting Gog is a coalition of nations. Also interesting is the 2520 year thingy closely matches the time Israel became a nation last century and the historical date of I think 587(?) when Babylon conquers Jerusalem. Apologies for any inaccuracies, it's been years since I attempted to surrender my brain to the subject.

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Jehovah's Wonderous Creation - The Guinea Worm

by pale.emperor in

you're not likely to see this in an awake!

magazine, but here goes.

for those that believe in intelligent design please explain this one to me:.

Awakenednow

Gross

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Do you believe that Jehovah is using the Organization today?

by Iamallcool in

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any elder has never asked me that question so far but i want to be prepared to answer that question if any of them ask me that question in the future.

i hope that they will never ask me that question.

any suggestions on how to answer that question would be very much appreciated.

Awakenednow

I vote no!

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Mass JW exodus

by stockholm_Syndrome in

maybe there will be a mass exodus from jws when thinking people read feb 2017 watchtower telling them the governing body stuff up, shouldnt expect correct/ perfect information and basically make up guff as they see fit.....ya reckon?.

Awakenednow

I view active dubs as if they are in a coma, they individually will wake up on their time when ready. You can't get mad at them, they don't get it, so let them keep bobbing their heads until they realize it's time to wipe the sleep out of their eyes. I think for most it's a comfort to blame the world and devil for the drama and not take personal responsibity for the state of their lives or communities. I'm grateful to be free of it all personally. When I meet the comatose around the community, I love them and bob my head right back. Lol

I vote no mass awaking unless we get new Wikileaks revelations lol. Maybe then....?

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The Story of My Sister - Lurkers: Is this logical?

by Funchback in

my sister got baptized at 17 or 18 years old in 1983. she was ripe for the jw picking as she was shy, quiet, naive and with low self-esteem even though she was tall and beautiful and she attended one of the best high schools in philadelphia.. she wasn't outgoing and she only went out on a couple of dates prior to her baptism.

she worked at a day care center.

she loved children and animals.

Awakenednow

Hi Brian...your sister woke up and is happy and lived her adult life being loved and raised a family. Try to let go of the bitterness of the past (which is justified) and enjoy every rich moment of your life and relationships now that you are awake. As someone being shunned by my only sibling I feel your loss and can only encourage you to focus on all of the fun things you and your sweet sister and family can now do together. Make precious memories to replace the lost ones. Stay involved in your sister and nieces lives, they'll be so glad about that and what a good example for your niece to know her own mind going forward. I agree on your opines about the damaging cult policies. My comfort is they will be judged equally as harshly as they have judged the innocents in their care - karma just is. When the anger wells up inside use it to a purposeful outcome. I like serving the hungry on xmas and stuff like that. Nice things that dissociate myself lol. Wishing you all the best. Stay strong! K

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Is the watchtower preparing the rank and file here?

by Thisismein1972 in

http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/28736-that-most-beautiful-of-2015-videos-is-now-live/.

above is a link (if you can stomach it) from jwtalk.

have a look at the comments.

Awakenednow

Anyone watch the movie The Island? ( Evan macgregor and Scarlett Johansson I think) totally reminds me of the paradise earth carrot...guess I followed the butterfly. I think if they discard that teaching, it's all over for the org. It's about the only reason people put up with the negs... the hope of living that way in the future is the only true incentive. How else can anyone justify the dumb sacrifices we make in this system, such as no college, dead-end jobs, giving up talent careers, no children, shun friends and family, knock on doors instead of doin something more appealing, giving up ice-cream money, letting your kids DIE refuse the blood, on and on. The 'spiritual paradise' sucks in reality. Really, I'm just sayin....

HAHA philJones I remember my parents bought a little camper in 74 and all the friends were shocked, oh the fun of it all. Glad your mum still thinks enough for herself to keep you in her life. From my understanding the pioneers hours have been cut quite a bit from back then when we all did it. I'm thinking it's more like the old aux pioneer hours of 60 but I'm out for 6 years and don't care enough to check to know.