i have listed all the books i found at the library that mention 586/87 as the fall of jerusalem.
i was also able to link to all of them (except the first one listed) on amazon.com!
many are out of print or unavailable as new books but you can buy almost all of them used on amazon.com ... some are only $10-12 each!
I like the way you show up scholar pretendus for the ignorant hypocrite he's long proved to be on this board, Jeffro. He demands of others what he's unwilling to do himself. I think a lot of that comes from the demonstrated fact that he has no idea what he's talking about most of the time. If it isn't already in WTS literature, he has no idea what to say.
AlanF
are you tired of the arrogant assertions of the elite ex-jw clique here?
here is some powerful ammunition to "demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god"!
http://www.carm.org/evidence.htm .
Ah. Then Terry's argument has a problem.
It would be good for you to use some sort of quoting mechanism.
I don't understand the point of your story.
AlanF
are you tired of the arrogant assertions of the elite ex-jw clique here?
here is some powerful ammunition to "demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god"!
http://www.carm.org/evidence.htm .
myelaine wrote:
: UNDESERVED (or unmerited) FAVOR is what his "grace" is. : JUSTICE does not allow what is UNdeserved to be administered to the undeserving. That would be INjustice. A point of logic: Giving something good to the undeserving has nothing to do with justice, but everything to do with mercy. Otherwise you'd have to declare God unjust. Illustration: Suppose the Christian God sees that a murderer is, deep down, a "nice guy" and so forgives him and arranges things so that the murderer gets a light punishment from secular authorities. Was God UNjust? I think you'd agree that he was not. Rather, he was merciful. Therefore, your statement above is disproved. Nevertheless, putting the Bible and history together pretty solidly proves that the Judeo-Christian God is magnificently unjust, by all normal standards. Indeed, he's much like the powerful rulers of ancient kingdoms like Assyria and Babylon, where they killed at will and rewarded those who pleased them. Their "justice" was as arbitrary as God's, as God is described in the Bible. Other examples abound. AlanF
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i find it very hard for me to believe that the governing body is unaware that many of the wtbts teachings and doctrines are not only deceiving people but are also spiritually, mentally and physically harming them as well.
what are your thoughts and comments?
Watchtower leadership is comprised of a variety of people -- ones who are completely deceived by the religion, ones who are completely cynical and know that much of the religion is bullshit, and everything in between. Many of the GB have thoroughly deceived themselves, even though they know enough facts about crucial policies and beliefs to know better. Orwellian doublethink is very much a part of these peoples' lives.
I think that a very large fraction of the members of the Service, Writing and Legal Depts. are fully aware of the deceptions they commit, but they've bought into a system and think they have no choice but to continue their insane and deceptive course, or they'd be kicked out on the street and have to admit that they pretty much wasted their lives. That goes a long way toward their refusal to admit of serious problems, and toward maintaining the self-deception. WTS lawyers, for example, are well aware of the out and out lies they've told in many court cases. Writers are fully aware of what they're doing when they couch their language in such a way as to mislead their readers. The Service Dept. people know perfectly well what they're doing when they support rogue elders in unjust disfellowshippings and so forth. They all do this to maintain the fiction of "God's organization" and that, no matter what they do personally, if it's in support of this Organization it must be alright.
AlanF
are you tired of the arrogant assertions of the elite ex-jw clique here?
here is some powerful ammunition to "demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god"!
http://www.carm.org/evidence.htm .
Shining One said to Terry:
: It's too bad you can't deal with an one issue at a time but instead attempt to smear and paint your muck with generalizations.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AlanF
here is the link:.
http://www.weloennig.de/dynamicgenomes.html.
maybe some here are more up to date than me on debate about "id".
This ignorant JW pseudo-scholar is typical of many JW apologists -- he can use a lot of wise-sounding words while spouting nonsense. Just skimming his article, I can see a number of gross errors, which I don't consider even worthwhile to point out, as it would be a waste of time. The man's arguments are entirely based on those of ID Creationists Micheal Behe and William Dembski. Behe's notion that his term "irreducible complexity" proves an intelligent creator has been thoroughly debunked by competent biologists, and amounts to nothing more than the "argument from ignorance". Dembski's notion of "specified complexity" has been completely gutted by competent mathematicians and is not taken seriously by anyone besides Creationists.
I've read Hal Flemings' book. It's badly written (it contains many grammatical and spelling errors, which would never pass muster in a properly edited book), and even more badly argued. It contains many logical errors of the type we've come to see are typical of JW/Creationist apologists.
AlanF
the anthropic principle .
by dr. norman geisler .
the anthropic principle (greek: anthropos, "human being") states that the universe was fitted from the very first moment of its existence for the emergence of life in general and human life in particular.
the_classicist said:
: I think Euler's equation proves there's a God.
Ah, but the real question is whether God created Euler's equation or merely discovered it.
AlanF
lewis says jesus' claim to be equal with deity leaves us only one other choice: .
a man who was merely a man and said the sort of things jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
he would either be a lunatic on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg or else he would be the devil of hell.
LittleToe said to Shining One:
: Come on, surely you can do better than that?
I'm afraid he can't. He's been using the same tactics ever since he got Fundy religion 4-5 years ago. It's a pity what accepting such nonsense does to a person.
AlanF
in the thread "the skeptic's worst nightmare" ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/96102/2.ashx ) shining one gave a link ( http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&id=2464 ) to an icr (institute for creation research) artcle titled "evolution--impossible to embarass its believers" by the icr's founder henry morris.
why was the soft tissue preserved?
all it means is, "we don't accept what real scientists say.
Rex, there's a great deal of evidence that can be interpreted in one and only one way. For example, if I write, "Rex is white" and ellderwho then writes, "AlanF said that Rex is black", then to say that ellderwho is wrong is not a matter for argument.
The same thing goes for the examples I gave about Morris' quotations that misrepresent his sources. The sources don't say what he claims, in the instances I pointed out. That's not a matter for argument, because his misrepresentation is objectively true.
Now, whether Morris' misrepresentations are due to dishonesty or lousy scholarship may well be a matter for argument. I think the man is deliberately dishonest, because I've seen far too many examples of his misrepresentations.
Remember that this is no different from people pointing out the dishonesty of Watchtower writers when they consistently misrepresent sources in the areas of science, the trinity, blood and a host of others.
Your double standards are clearly evident, because you refuse to look at the evidence when it's thrown in your face. You remind me of my former wife, who refused to look at a JW book she had once studied in Bookstudy, when she knew that what I wanted her to see would have proved something she didn't want to admit.
As for my once saying that logic comes from our brains, that comes under the category of what I mentioned in this thread: "questions that no one can answer at present in a completely satisfactory way." Why do you have to be led by the hand through such simple logic? Didn't your God give you what he gave most people?
AlanF
ha!
just to let everyone know.... i just relocated to denver, to be closer to the badger pup.
i'm wokring at a local high school (same job as before, new location.
Glad you found a job!
AlanF
