An eye-witness is different to a witness. The word 'witness' can also mean proof/evidence or knowledge obtained from observing or experiencing something.
Heisenberg
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But, no one has ever ACTUALLY "Witnessed Jehovah"!
by kairos inthis just came to me, must have been mentioned before, right?.
the name of the group is a lie!!.
we all announced and taught that we were "jehovah's witnesses".. i'm struggling to find more words right now..
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What is truth?
by Heisenberg inwell, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.
i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.
they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.
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Heisenberg
A few more replies to those that have posted since my last post.
Posted By THE GLADIATOR
it is inevitable that some members are unable to feel love for people who are not part of their organization.
Wow. That is absurd. I have never met a witness who is unable to feel love for non JWs because of their faith.
Posted by UcantnomeI think my life would have been different if I had pursued what I am good at.
Why didn't you? You must take full responsibility for that decision. You cannot blame your parents, friends or your cousin for the decision that you ultimately made. I think it is naive to say that an organization was responsible for the way your life turned out.
Posted by PhizzyThe Misogynistic, Homophobic, pro-Slavery "morality" of the Bible is not good enough for the 21st Century.
Yes, that may be true if you do not have faith in the bible. But for those that profess their trust in God and the bible, they must take it all as it is. You can't call yourself a Christian and then at the same time condone the practice of homosexuality. The two are not compatible.
Posted By VidqunA good example is the nation of Israel. What happened to them when they made alliances with the nations? The prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah had a lot to say about it.
JWs did not make an alliance with the UN. They registered with a certain department to obtain information. Yes, in hindsight, it was a mistake. But it is the exception to the rule. JWs rank and file and the Org continue to remain neutral.
Posted by THE GLADIATORWe make decisions on information that we receive from what we believe to be a reliable source. In this case an organization that claims to be appointed by God. If it turns out that the 'reliable source' is just a bunch of liars, any scorn should be directed at them and not their victims. That is how the law works in any civilized country.
What made you believe it was a reliable source? The 'lies' have been there before you joined but you didn't realize at the time. Maybe you were just easily deceived. Isn't it really your own fault? And which country has an actual law that allows you to scorn anyone who deceived you? Caveat emptor!
Posted by EdenOneVery few ex-JWs argue that is wrongful that the congregation is entitled to terminate fellowship with those who refuse to comply with the rules, moral or doctrinal. However, shunning is another matter.
Do you think it would be better to expel them from the congregation but still allow them to socialize with the members of the congregation? How would that work? What effect would the expulsion have if they are still allowed to keep in contact with everyone? It would be pointless.
If someone violated the rules of this forum, what do you think Simon would do? As has happened in the past, he would disable their account to stop them from contaminating the board.
Posted by EndofMysterisI believe in God or a God because when I see all life, plants, the cycles on the Earth, etc, I see intelligent design.
If matter is eternal, can't be created or destroyed but changed in one form or another, how is that easier to believe then God having always been (neither created or destroyed).
Your two statements above are a contradiction. If the earth and everything in it is evidence of intelligent design, then wouldn't you expect that an intelligent creator would be even more evidence that it must have been created by an intelligent designer of its own?
The bible says after Jesus leaves it would be the spirit that would guide people, not a physical temple, from what I've read it seems the bible teaches truth can't be found with people but they can encourage when you meet and associate with like minded.
The bible says a lot and it is left up to people to interpret its meaning. Since everyone has their own opinion, they cant all be right. Not all these 'good people' who have love among themselves are right. They cant all have the truth.
Posted By goingthruthemotionsSpoke like a true JWombie....the B.I.T.E model is in full effect. hope one day you see the light.
If you look into the so called BITE model, during different periods of history it can be applied to most religions and still for many religions today. Especially, one very large one.
And never say never. Why is your mind so closed? Seems like your are just like any other regular JW. Don't let your emotions control you.
Posted by OnTheWayOutAs far as your opinion that everyone would get to choose from two (or three) possible belief systems, who are you to decide. People can do/believe all kinds of things.
That is just my opinion. I get to decide because it is my opinion but it doesn't mean I am correct. I never said I was right, that is why I said it was my opinion. You say "people can believe all kinds of things", then why do JWs get a verbal bashing for what they beleive in. If it is OK for 99.9% of the population to beleive in their particular lies, why cant the other 1% continue to beleive in their lie?
Posted by VidqunJudge for yourself whether these are applied correctly.
Who am I to decide if these are applied correctly? The bible is open to interpretation. You cannot be right on the meaning of these scriptures any more than a member of the GB is right.
Because most cases are handled internally, they are never sorted out and the victims do not get the necessary counselling or treatment - thus no closure.
I agree that there have been many mistakes made in the handling of the cases involving pedophilia. I don't understand why the parents would not take this matter to the police themselves. This responsibility rests with the parents and they should be going directly to the police. Anyone that tries to stop them should be put in their place.
Posted by jhineThe Great Commision of taking the Gospel to the ends of the earth is taken very seriously by all Christian groups . There are MANY interdenomiational faith groups in every far flung place on the globe preaching the Gospel message . I cannot give figures at the moment but the idea that Christendom does not do worldwide preaching work is totally a JW lie .
Sorry, but I will need some evidence to believe this. Which religion and how many countries are they in? How many languages do they preach in? How many bibles have they translated? Worldwide means across the entire earth not just a select group of countries.
Your statement that if the Watchtower has it wrong then there is no God is only Watchtower propagander designed to stop people from joining any other faith group , an example of their control policy . It does seem to work judging by the amount who leave and become atheists , a sort of "if we can't have you no one will " policy
I don't remember the 'Watchtower' ever writing this anywhere or relaying it from the platform. The reason I mentioned this in my previous post is because every other main stream religion in this world is not teaching their followers to live in harmony with the bible. Their beliefs are not in harmony with what the bible teaches. If the JWs can be proved wrong (which they have), the others don't stand a chance either. If you believe that there are other religions that are right, then you are just as deluded as the JWs who you attack on this website.
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How to explain the HYPOCRISY of the JW blood doctrine with out getting DFd?
by Crazyguy inthe jws since 1945 have taught that one should commit suicide and sacrifice oneself to god rather the take blood.
then in 2006 in an awake they said one could take hemoglobin even cow hemoglobin.
since hemoglobin makes up 96% of what a red blood cell is and 45% of the total volume of blood and is the key component of what makes blood work, how does one explain that this is obviously hypocrisy and do it in a way as to not get dfd?
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Heisenberg
I like your reasoning.
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Proof for the IMMORTAL soul triggered my doubt on JW teachings!
by abiather inonce i was talking to myself: religions are all about sacrifices (and rituals), viewing god as a means to get forgiveness of sins and material benefits, and bible is no exception.
yet the foundation of the universe is on the never-failing principle of cause and consequences, something which god will never violate.
forgiveness of sins is a violation of principle of cause and consequencessomething that bible itself ironically upholds in galatians 6:7 and in many other verses!
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Need to vent: Wife just went in full cult mode, huge fight. she is so brainwashed
by goingthruthemotions inout of the blue my wife started to ask me about my feeling about the borg.
i told her i didn't want to talk about it...she persisted.
she already knows how i feel, i told her that my biggest beef is that they use mind control, and yep she went in to how i was an apostate and how she doesn't want to be married to an apostate.
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Posted by The Searcher
25 Christian Greek Scriptures clearly state that Christians must witness for Christ, and yet Rutherford chose a single Hebrew Scripture to proclaim that Christians were to be witnesses of Jehovah, and re-branded them as such
So they can't be a witness of Jehovah AND a witness of Jesus? Why does it matter which name was chosen?
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YAWEHLAND - Imagine a country where Jehovah's Witnesses are the majority
by EdenOne inin 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).
many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.
cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.
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Heisenberg
Cyprus? The majority there are Greek Orthodox. Not sure if you know much about the followers of the Greek Orthodox church but they despise JWs. They would rather see their country bankrupt than allow more JWs into the country. In fact, they may hate them as much as they hate their Turkish neighbors.
Pick another country.
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2015 Yearbook page 89
by lenaga ini have read the yearbook (i know, i'm a pervert).
on page 89, there is a photograph.the caption: "brothers knorr and franz ..."which franz?
fred franz was 71 years old in 1963. ray franz was 41 years old.. there is also president of knorr.
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Heisenberg
I doubt Ray would make it any publications these days...
From Page 88:
"In March 1946, Nathan Knorr and Frederick Franz
from world headquarters visited the Dominican Re-
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Je Suis Charlie
by Slidin Fast inthis incident in paris makes me feel absolutely furious.
yes i feel desperately sorry for the victims and their families no one should have to deal with that.
the thing that makes me feel absolutely incandescent though is the attack on freedom of speech and expression.
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Religion is way past its use by date. Isn't it time it was banned? So called Christians were once just as violent as Muslims. They killed for their religion.
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2014 increase in Memorial Partakers to 14,121
by jwfacts ini have updated the article at memorial partakers with the figures released for 2014. no surprises here, it has risen yet again, this time by 6% over last year, and is now 14,121.. .
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Posted by jwfacts
Therefore 54260 (60% of 90434) plus 52,465, plus 14121 already equals 120846
Why would you add the number of partakers from 1925 and 1935? Many of the 1925 partakers were probably still alive in 1935....
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Does God's foreknowledge take away from free will?
by Christ Alone injust by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
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This is a fascinating thread.
If God can peer into the future and foretell events (and the Bible says he can), it is clear that whatever happens is going to happen. You cannot change it.
For those that continue to believe in God, do you believe that humans have free will? If yes, please justify. If your answer is no, then how can humans be held accountable for their actions and be judged by God?