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What Do Jehovah's Witnesses Have Right OR Wrong?
by Flash in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
biblicaly speaking that is.

we know their cult mentality with all its manipulation tactics and abusive authority is wrong.

but as far as their understanding of the bible, what do you believe they have right or wrong?.
Flash

Thanks to everyone who is posting. I'm enjoying reading your views of the Witnesses. I know there is a LOT that is wrong with the teaching of the WTS and I'm not trying to minimize it. Another peeve of mine is thier creating so-called bible principles to suit their own views and gain control more of our lives. It really ticks me off! Making stuff up such as their bogus 'new' understanding of Paul's experiance at 2 Cor. 12: 1-4 is another thing that makes me crazy!
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aniron
I believe their acceptance of the Bible as God's word in every way is incorrect. THEN HOW CAN THEY BE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING ABOVE. WHICH THEY SAY IS BASED ON THEIR ACCEPTANCE OF GODS WORD.
I personaly don't believe EVERY WORD, cover to cover in the book we call the Bible is out of God's mouth and a message to or a standard for us. Proverbs 31: 6 and 7 is, IMO, a prime example of what I see as strictly HUMAN reasoning, it is NOT Divine instruction nor is it a principle for us to live by...just some human reasoning to be considered and accepted or rejected.
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What Do Jehovah's Witnesses Have Right OR Wrong?
by Flash in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
biblicaly speaking that is.

we know their cult mentality with all its manipulation tactics and abusive authority is wrong.

but as far as their understanding of the bible, what do you believe they have right or wrong?.
Flash

Biblicaly Speaking that is. We know their cult mentality with all its manipulation tactics and abusive authority is wrong. But as far as their understanding of the Bible, what do you believe they have right or wrong?
I believe they have these things right:
Jehovah is not a trinity.
Jesus is God's first creation.
The Angelic rebellion is the source of all our troubles.
The Great Tribulation and Armageddon are literal and coming.
God will use the worlds governments to destroy world religion.
The Thousand Year reign is real.
The Resurrection is the only hope for the majority of the dead.
The Little Flock will become a literal Heavenly Government.
Satan and his Demons have a finite time to exist and will be terminated.

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These are my two main disagreements with the JW's:

I believe their acceptance of the Bible as God's word in every way is incorrect.

and...

I believe the Witnesses acceptance of the Apostle Paul's view of women and their place in the congregation is wrong.

It was surreal. Your impressions of the "Monthly Awake!" service meeting?

by ezekiel3 in

at our service meeting the conductor of "more emphasis on the bible!

" (the march kingdom ministry article discussing the monthly awake!

) routinely asked the questions, comments were read from the paragraph and there was a rediculous emphasis on the scriptures cited, even to the point that wt references were given that had nothing to do with the subject.

Flash

Even though there was no mention of the "real reasons" for going to monthly publishing in the KM, ...

I think it's another proof of the atrophying of the Organization. The fruit is withering on the vine.

This, combined with the hardline announcement, "do not circulate or download these [unauthorized kingdom song] recordings from the Internet," made the whole service meeting a bit surreal.

The more they oppress God's people the more they will wake up and leave.

Just thinking again, it can be dangerous.

by purplesofa in

and when they say they keep knocking on the same doors in case peoples circumstances have changed.

they are looking for something in that persons life so they can build them up.

so why search out weak ones?

Flash

1.When I was first studying .......I was told God search me out. Gathered me to him. Today I was thinking, if God has searched out his people, Why did he draw out the wackos?
2. So why search out weak ones?
3. I was thinking how the love for thier spouses have lasted over the time(most are gone for 18mos) They don't see each other. Remain faithful.
4. And how we are led to believe that loss of meeting attendance will deminish our love and relationship with Jehovah. I felt very insulted and angry at this thought. I remember someone asking me how do you know you won't lose the love? I said, Just as I know I won't murder someone. I don't need daily reminders to not commit murder. (well, with roadrage lately Maybe)
5. I am not with direction and goals as I once was. I have retreated in this fight for life. And regrouping, rethinking and reorganizing. Some of the greatest wars won had lost many battles.
Thats my thoughts and I'm sticking to it.

I can definately relate to what your saying. Here are my 'thoughts.' 1. I think He looks for good hearted people...some of them are unbalanced and many are later trained and conditioned to be that way. 2. I don't believe He does, it just turns out that way...often. 3. & 4. I agree with you. Our love of God can stand by itself, we don't need constant meeting attendance to maintain it. I don't attend any meetings, I pray regularly and maintain a good and close relationship with God on my own. 5. Yes, I'm reclaiming my life back too. Questioning everything I was once programed to accept as Truth and deciding for myself what is right and what is not...And NO it isn't Satanic to do so!

Disparaging Terms

by Blueblades in

jw
friends

"apostate" is the most hateful, disparaging term in watchtower vocabulary.. yet, on page 15 of the dec.1st, 1984 watchtower they say,"it would be unscriptural for us ( wbts ) to use disparaging terms when referring to ones who do not share our belief.".

talk about hypocrisy!

when anyone calls you an apostate, point them to this wt.and watch their reaction.. blueblades

Flash

If a Witness disagreed with the WTS and would'nt yield to their position when pressured, he or she would be labled 'Hardend.' It marks them and scares the others.

1 John 4:1

by mjl in

went to the meeting this morning and stayed for the talk.

the speaker used a text that i thought was very ironic, 1 john 4:1 which reads " beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they origanate with god, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

" i found this ironic becuase we were trained not to test anything in the publications and never question what we hear from the platform.

Flash

Guys, JW Ben is exactly right. We were always encouraged to examine what we were being taught...just so long as we came to the correct conclusion that the FDS was always right!

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I still think it might be the truth - what is wrong with me?

by slimboyfat in

apostate literature - i have read the lot.

you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.

and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.

Flash

...what is wrong with me?

Nothing. The Witnesses today are like the ancient Israelites, the have the primary truths about God and His purpose correct, yet they have deviated from the path, and like the apostate Israelites were dealt with severely by God in the past, the Witnesses (especialy their leadership) will be dealt with when the Master arrives!

Who are the chief crapmongers?

by Gill in

someone, or somebodys must be coming up with all the crap that's appearing twice a month in the botchtower.

no wonder they want to remain annonymous!

judging from yesterdays article for the watchtower study, and the corny questions, ie.

Flash

Well so much for their anonymity...Their secret is OUT! LOL

Lake of fire

by A Paduan in

my apologies for dwelling on the 'death' thing this morning, but anyway...

following spiritual death, a person might join, or be in already, a group (a lake of men, not the sea, but a lake) with a staple of 'fire and brimstone' - hence becoming that which they are not, or not becoming that which they are - the death of the soul.

what do jws teach / understand as the lake of fire, and second death ?

Flash

What do jws teach / understand as the lake of fire, and second death ?

They symbolize eternal destruction, not a living torment. After Satan and all those who follow him are terminated, death itself is thrown into the lake. So this growing old and dying we've come to accept as normal for humans and animals will cease for humanity.

Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-13-05 WT Study

by blondie in

will be in black and parentheses ().

quotes from other sources will be in blue.

and the good news about the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then, finally, the end will come.

Flash

When was the last time we heard of a GB member traveling the world preaching, enduring want and hardship...not in our life time. The hypocrites! Its fine for everyone else to do without and to have the meagerest of lifestyles...But not so for the vainglorious GB! Leave their Ivory Towers and do the Grunt Work!? Ha! Never happen...not since the days of the Apostles anyway!