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  Non-JW's experience

  by Nosferatu in

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  i found this kinda interesting.

  it's not a news article, but an experience from a non-jw.

  http://www.rockout.org/24/.

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  somebodylovesme

  That's a great article... actually did make me "Laugh Out Loud."

  SLM
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  Come on, who really TALKS like this? "Your people are so joyful!" etc...

  by somebodylovesme in

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  i recently snuck a read of the km newsletter, which talked about assembly preparation.

  aside from how ridiculous it is that they have to tell people not to push and shove (duhhh), i thought the quotes seemed a little, well, hokey.

  i don't have it with me, so i can't quote it, but it was what i can guess is a commonly cited compliment: that the hotel manager/police/venue host said they are "thrilled to have jehovah's people" with them because "your people are so joyful" and so on.

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  Actually, I commonly hear JWs referred to as "Jehovahs".

  ahhh yeah, I've heard that too. That, and "Jehovah Witnesses" without the possessive 's'.
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  Come on, who really TALKS like this? "Your people are so joyful!" etc...

  by somebodylovesme in

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  i recently snuck a read of the km newsletter, which talked about assembly preparation.

  aside from how ridiculous it is that they have to tell people not to push and shove (duhhh), i thought the quotes seemed a little, well, hokey.

  i don't have it with me, so i can't quote it, but it was what i can guess is a commonly cited compliment: that the hotel manager/police/venue host said they are "thrilled to have jehovah's people" with them because "your people are so joyful" and so on.

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  I recently snuck a read of the KM newsletter, which talked about assembly preparation. Aside from how ridiculous it is that they have to TELL people not to push and shove (duhhh), I thought the quotes seemed a little, well, hokey. I don't have it with me, so I can't quote it, but it was what I can guess is a commonly cited compliment: that the hotel manager/police/venue host said they are "thrilled to have Jehovah's people" with them because "your people are so joyful" and so on. It just seemed reeeeally extreme to me. I don't think I've ever heard a non-Witness talk like that.

  Then, within a couple days, I was talking to a JW relative (in-law) who just got a new job. He claimed he got the job in part because the boss had previously employed another brother - and that this boss said he "loved to have Jehovah's people as employees because they are so joyful and so hardworking." yeahh... I can't imagine that the manager would say something like that, in such words. I can hear, "Oh, yeah, we had a 'Jovah Witniss' work here before, yeah, he was a good guy." I don't really trust this relative to be totally honest, and IMHO he's getting that kind of language straight from the literature.

  So really... have you ever heard anyone outside the organization talk about Witnesses like that, in that pretentious phoney language? I never have. Most I hear is, "Witnesses? oh yeah, they go door-to-door and stuff, right?"

  SLM
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  So what exactly IS an apostate?

  by somebodylovesme in

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  i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.

  but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.

  so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.

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  There used to be a difference (in dubdom) between Opposers (non baptised) and apostates (baptised). I think the term is used much more broadly now, as Six refers to, as a catch-all derogatory word to include any person not in agreement.

  Frighteningly enough, let me try to think like a dub/the Society for a minute. I am guessing that a broader application would be useful because it would go to show the reality of the "end times"? If EVERYONE who doesn't agree with the Society is therefore AGAINST them - apostates - then wouldn't that advance the idea that the world's going to, I don't know, explode in a ball of fire tomorrow?

  Little Witch - Thanks for the link. Just goes to affirm how dangerous and divisive the Society is.

  Danny - "maddening envy"? Oh, brother ... I'm sure all the ex-JWs are weeping that they don't get to read out loud the most boring magazines every week... The handful of meetings I went to told me I didn't want to do THAT very often.

  The Outside World is Evil. Sigh.

  SLM
  who thinks the world should all sing in perfect harmony
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  So what exactly IS an apostate?

  by somebodylovesme in

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  i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.

  but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.

  so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.

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  Grows -- wow, that is quite an entry - thanks!

  Confused -- Yeah, that is the line, isn't it? Fortunately, my hubby's family follows that... but most of the people he grew up with shun him for being inactive and for marrying me, a worldly girl.

  Very interesting stuff.
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  So what exactly IS an apostate?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
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  i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.

  but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.

  so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.

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  somebodylovesme

  Thanks, Little Witch.... Yeah, I thought the search was fruitless, but I can never find anything with it. I am very interested to see the progression of definitions...

  Always learning new things about the JWs - and then I get really mad.

  Edited to add: I'm going to bed now, but I'll be back tomorrow. Thanks, all!

  SLM
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  EVERYBODY PLEASE WELCOME MARK!

  by Corvin in

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  welcome, mark!

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  somebodylovesme

  Glad you decided to jump in! I did the same thing... urked for a few months and then dived in. Glad I did.

  Have fun.
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  So what exactly IS an apostate?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.

  but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.

  so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.

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  somebodylovesme

  Thanks, I will do that.
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  So what exactly IS an apostate?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.

  but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.

  so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.

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  somebodylovesme

  P.S. -- Welcome, Mark!
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  So what exactly IS an apostate?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.

  but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.

  so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.

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  somebodylovesme

  Yeah, leave it to them to change the stupid definition. Thanks for the link, Valis -- although it looks like that page is no longer there (the one imbedded in the post).

  I love this place.... no matter what the question, someone always has an answer!