Posts by Oracroth

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Did a 'major-event' cause you to join/leave JW?s?

by cyberguy in

it seems to me, many people become jw?s after a major event in their lives.

perhaps it is the death of a loved-one, such as a father, mother, child, wife, or husband.

on the other hand, it?s also my observation that a "major-event" often causes an active jw to rethink what they are doing with their life, whether they are really in the "truth," as jw?s call it.

Oracroth

Are you implying that the post has a greater mental prowess than the poster?

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Will it come to this?

by Valis in

i found this off handed today and was wondering if jws will ever go this far?church of scientology.

flag service organization.

(hereinafter referred to as "the church").

I think the biggest religeous contradiction I ever read was this sermon on the Trinity. The preacher started off stating that if you did not beleive in the trinity then you were anti-god and a heretic (yes he used heretic, I never heard of anyone actually using that word seriously today). Then he started a sentence saying he didn't understand the trinity and the concept of the trinity is a paradox, but he reaffirmed that he had absolute faith in it. How do you have absolute faith in something that you don't understand and that you feel cannot logically exist? Well, I'm not speaking against the trinity for those who beleive in it (I don't). I am definitely saying that guy was a bad example of how you should preach about it though.

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Will it come to this?

by Valis in

i found this off handed today and was wondering if jws will ever go this far?church of scientology.

flag service organization.

(hereinafter referred to as "the church").

Oracroth

I agree with you 68. I've studied alot into mind control tactics. Most of my early mind control studies were based upon females and the best method of acquiring one, known to many youths as "Macking". I eventually evolved this study into behavioral mind control. Generally when there is no absolution a person will be slow to change. Since religeon is a field without much absolution, therefore many find it hard to switch out of what is their basic teachings.

As to defending the JW, I can't speak on others, but I don't always defend the side who is right. If all discussions were one sided, what would cause people to re-evaluate their own thinking? Take christopher columbus, he felt that the world was not flat and stood against others. Here we are today on a nice round earth (not perfectly round, but my head isn't perfectly round either). Personally I feel that the only way for humans to survive as a whole is to stop persecuting others for their choices. Leave that up to someone who knows the perfect path for a man. ( If you are wondering who that is, I can be reached at 414-911-0024, I'm currently offering group discounts for those trying to reach perfection ) Instead, just move on past them to the direction you feel is correct. In the end everyone will know who was right. If the "New Order" isn't here by 2200. I think it'd be safe to say JW was wrong. If the planet is destroy by a meteor impact, I think it's safe to say the bible was wrong. If everyone wakes up in heaven, I'll be the only person in hell cuz this KKK member once told me god is reserving a special place in hell for me since I am an abomination mix of black and white dna.

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Did a 'major-event' cause you to join/leave JW?s?

by cyberguy in

it seems to me, many people become jw?s after a major event in their lives.

perhaps it is the death of a loved-one, such as a father, mother, child, wife, or husband.

on the other hand, it?s also my observation that a "major-event" often causes an active jw to rethink what they are doing with their life, whether they are really in the "truth," as jw?s call it.

Oracroth

Hah, someone called me intelligent! I sure fooled them

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Only Two Religions

by barry in

i know i may get shot down in flames for this but here goes anyway.

im quoting fron dr des fords site http://www.desford.org.au/home/index.php/mission.

there are and always have been only two religions in the world.

Oracroth

That may be so about quoting the scriptures, but it's sort of a prerequisite to feel that the bible is a truthful document in order to beleive in a god talked about within it. So is it uncanny for someone to quote science and then the bible in the same idea? I don't think so. If someone rejects the teachings of the bible, why are you talking about religeon base upon it to begin with?

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Did a 'major-event' cause you to join/leave JW?s?

by cyberguy in

it seems to me, many people become jw?s after a major event in their lives.

perhaps it is the death of a loved-one, such as a father, mother, child, wife, or husband.

on the other hand, it?s also my observation that a "major-event" often causes an active jw to rethink what they are doing with their life, whether they are really in the "truth," as jw?s call it.

Oracroth

As a reply to the two previous posts before my previous one.

I don't feel his remarks were condescending. Personally I feel myself ready for any information. Since my brain catalogs all information and time needed before I could understand will pass in time.

About the violence in religeon it comes from defending something you beleive strongly in. Undermining someone's primary thought processes usually involves a great deal of anger and hostility. So it probably is the fact the many JW's cling harder to their faith than many other religeons that they more readily become defensive in the face of opposition. Where-as someone like myself who's open to the concept that the entire model of my thinking is completely devoid, I can have my beliefs deteriorated and be completely fine with it. It's the strong mind that is able to readjust it's thinking in the face of logical paradox.

I also never take individuals to represent an entire group. It would seem the american JW is alot more problematic than outside countries, or even other ethnic group congregations, such as the spanish. The feeling of family permeates alot more in those people and also you actually feel like they are concerned about your well being. It says in the bible not everyone calling upon the lord's name would be delivered from wrath in the time of the end. That could include alot of people in the same organization as one another. Those who make it might end up people who hardly know anything about the bible, you can't draw conclusions on that one.

Besides, my mom is a JW and is probably the most reasonable person I've ever dealt with. If I had to pick anyone to represent a model JW it'd be her. I on the otherhand represent the model... ummm... yeah. I represent something, but it's origins cannot be disclosed nor can it's name.

Anyway, it's completely obvious that mankind cannot serve god correctly, so we all have to be willing to be set straight and be undermined.

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Did a 'major-event' cause you to join/leave JW?s?

by cyberguy in

it seems to me, many people become jw?s after a major event in their lives.

perhaps it is the death of a loved-one, such as a father, mother, child, wife, or husband.

on the other hand, it?s also my observation that a "major-event" often causes an active jw to rethink what they are doing with their life, whether they are really in the "truth," as jw?s call it.

Oracroth

I can see why the bible calls so much attention to love. If you applied the model of worship to how you look at a family with loving parents, you almost feel indebted to them for alot of what they would give you. So in turn you feel the need to make up for it by doing them favors. Unfortunately that isn't how many view the worship of god. They take traditions and theories and cause them to be facts and figures. For example, aliens, the bible does not give any information of E.T. life other than spirit creatures. Does that mean that there aren't other beings in our physical universe? Perhaps Edam and Ave were created on Seltara III in another solar system and they are perfect people. Would the existance of another planet of being be contrary to the bible? Yet if I say aliens to a religeous zealot, I will get pummeled with alot of disbelief. That's when programming takes over. When there is no supporting logic or information yet you continue on as if there is. Biblically we are supposed to have accurate knowledge, derive our own conclusion and associate with others not to derive the same thoughts, but to derive the same outcome. Therefore any organization that perpetuates concepts of blindly walking, just because I said so, or that's just the way it is ideas, they are against the concept of accurate knowledge.

Anyway, I feel that no religeon on the planet has any possibility of getting the concepts of an existing deity correctly. Even biblically many of god's chosen people made plenty of mistakes in their worship. Should we criticize and break down an individual or realign their path? Is it hate that heals a people or is it love and patience? Me personally I don't care enough about other people to hurt or heal ^_^ (I love when I contradict myself).

On another subject, anyone notice how offended people get when you call them a hypocrit? It's like the most offense word in the dictionary for many. I don't mind if anyone calls me one, I probably am one. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be me (or something).

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Only Two Religions

by barry in

i know i may get shot down in flames for this but here goes anyway.

im quoting fron dr des fords site http://www.desford.org.au/home/index.php/mission.

there are and always have been only two religions in the world.

Oracroth

This is extremely interesting. Apparently they discovered that the brain has a good chance of using Quantum mathematics to derive some informations. If this is true it throws my deterministic reality out the window. This definitely pleases me greatly and I have a newfound hope. Thanks for pointing out the probablistics in nature and special thanks to google for your nice search engine. I definitely am less depressed about life now.

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Only Two Religions

by barry in

i know i may get shot down in flames for this but here goes anyway.

im quoting fron dr des fords site http://www.desford.org.au/home/index.php/mission.

there are and always have been only two religions in the world.

Oracroth

I'd like to read more on this quantum theory. I really hate the concept that the state of anything at a certain point can be exactly the same given the same origins. Then I can get out of this perpetual depressive state.

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What is the story of Oracroth's JW Demise?

by Oracroth in

i'm nobody special but i'll give my example anyway.

i was born a jehovah witness, i'm sure alot of you know what the entails.

the first part of my life i didn't take it serious in the least.

Oracroth

Yeah, "thugs" do. Tupac even wrote a song "I wonder if heaven has a ghetto". Many of my partners from when I was a JW were ex gangsters and thugs. I think hard life makes you question more things relating to the nature of life. A man who has a happy existence has little need to question why life is so miserable.

As for death, like I said in another topic, it's only a complete circle of birth. From nothing we spawn, to nothing we go. What is the fear, shame, and discontent in that? Many people ask "It is a grand thing that I exist". Yet if we never existed we wouldn't have thought in order to care whether we did. Sometimes I wonder if that is why some beleifs adopted the concept of eternal punishment, simply dying isn't really a punishment in itself since you can conquer death by simply dying.