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  144,000

  by freein2004 in

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  okay so the number is literal but them coming out of israel is not?

  huh?

  what am i missing?

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  Convenience is the criterion. You can decide whatever you like as literal and whatever you like as figurative.
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  Creator dependent on His creatures?

  by economy in

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  jws teach that god created personsspirit beings and physical beings.

  at some point in time, some of them defamed his name and challenged his sovereignty.

  as a resultant, creator changed his status into a beggar (proverbs 27:11).

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  JWs teach that God created persons—spirit beings and physical beings. At some point in time, some of them defamed His name and challenged His sovereignty. As a resultant, Creator changed His status into a beggar (Proverbs 27:11). When people undergo suffering like Job (and also like greater Job—Jesus) without murmuring, God receives back what He lost.

  Can anything be more wrong than this?
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  Why does the Almighty need a mediator?

  by economy in

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  god is alike to all of his children, hence cannot elevate one child above all others just because one was brought into existence before others.

  (ezekiel 18:4) someone has to be first-born which does not give him any superiority over others!

  interestingly, jesus simply dismissed the whole idea of one being placed over the others as pagan.

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  Finkelstein

  You got it correctly!
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  Why does the Almighty need a mediator?

  by economy in

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  god is alike to all of his children, hence cannot elevate one child above all others just because one was brought into existence before others.

  (ezekiel 18:4) someone has to be first-born which does not give him any superiority over others!

  interestingly, jesus simply dismissed the whole idea of one being placed over the others as pagan.

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  davidmitchell16 hours ago

  You ask: Where is any proof for “When a communication is from God, it will be absolutely simple and will be impossible to be misunderstood by readers and for saying God is a person?”

  The primary purpose of my post is to trigger a thought in those who believe God and His supposed mediators that their belief does not hold out under scrutiny. I have no problem with those who do not believe in the existence of God—because atheists are always born as atheists and theists are always born as theists, yet their beliefs are their choice, and both the group are happy with their choice. You can find the PRINCIPLE beneath details of two verses Jesus made. (Mathew 11:14 & 12:35)
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  Why does the Almighty need a mediator?

  by economy in

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  god is alike to all of his children, hence cannot elevate one child above all others just because one was brought into existence before others.

  (ezekiel 18:4) someone has to be first-born which does not give him any superiority over others!

  interestingly, jesus simply dismissed the whole idea of one being placed over the others as pagan.

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  God is alike to all of His children, hence cannot elevate one child above all others just because one was brought into existence before others. (Ezekiel 18:4) Someone has to be first-born which does not give him any superiority over others! Interestingly, Jesus simply dismissed the whole idea of one being placed over the others as “pagan.” (Luke 22:25) He even encouraged everyone to have direct relationship with God (Mathew 5:44-48; 6:9-13)—a concept that is found throughout the scriptures (Psalm 84:11; Hebrew 11:6; James 4:6-10; 1 John 1:9; Revelation 14:7 ….) In principle a mediator has no role to play between God Almighty and humans as “Father knows what you need even before you ask him.” (Mathew 6:8) That means question of Almighty feeling the need of a mediator doesn’t arise at all. Even if we assume that Almighty does need a mediator, it would necessarily require that another mediator is needed between humans and the primary mediator as this one is less than Almighty. This notion will only create an endless chain of mediators.

  Then how come we find contradictory verses in the Bible such as these: “No one comes to the Father except through me.” “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.” (John 14:6; 3:36) Could these verses be uninspired? For example, a statement which Jesus could have rightly uttered only after reaching heaven is given as having been spoken by him while he was yet on earth—that too at the very outset of his ministry. (‘no one has ascended into heaven except me,’ John 3:13). If one verse is interpolated, why not some concepts or even the whole book itself?

  Take for example the very first verse of Gospel of John: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” What a confusion this verse has caused! Virtually every Christian sect has its own interpretation on this verse. God would not inspire a book that starts with a word (logos — the cosmic Mediator between God and the world) that means different thing to different cultures of that time (from spokesperson to the impersonal principle of Stoicism). When a communication is from God, it will be absolutely simple and will be impossible to be misunderstood by readers. The root concept of this verse can be seen in the East where it is taught that God first created sound, and from these sound frequencies came the phenomenal world; and AUM is said to be the most sacred of all sounds and the syllable which preceded the universe and from which the gods were created; AUM is god in the form of sound! Interestingly, the concept of logos as god is considered to be a later interpolation even in the Eastern Scriptures (Gita 7:8 where it says God is omnipresent, and exists even in “the sacred syllable AUM in all the Vedas”) which obviously contradict with many unambiguous statements showing God as a person! Thus it is strange that a notion that even the pagans consider to be interpolation into their scriptures found its way into the Bible! Thus concept of a mediator is pagan (so its greater application—appointment of a Faithful and Discreet Slave as God’s channel on earth). (Compare the apocryphal book WISDOM OF SOLOMON, the whole chapter 7 in general, and verse 22 in particular, plus Chapter 9).

  Our “power of reason” (Romans 12:1) would make us think: “If I am a person, my heavenly Father (my source) is also a person who must be like me in all respects (yet differing naturally only in degree), and hence can have a relationship with Him. The sentiment expressed in the ancient, famous phrase, ‘O God, wherever I am, you are with me', indicates the closeness of the soul and God. It expresses the experience of the presence of God, in a similar way to two lovers who carry each other in their hearts. In this way God's presence is a spiritual experience that one can have wherever he is. Image of God in each one’s mind may differ. Many people cherish a relationship with Eosope (famous ancient Greek fabulist) as a practical guide in coping with the challenges of day-to-day life, yet the mental picture of Eosope each one carries in his heart may differ from person to person if they have not seen his picture or sculptor. However everyone benefits from Eosope whether he really did exist or not!
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  Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

  by Viviane in

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  several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

  i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

  indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

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  Viviane

  Good questions. Even Jesus avoided replying to some of the important questions put to him. One classic example: 'I will tell you who I am--if you tell me whether the baptism performed by John the Baptist from God or from himself' (something like this--I don't remember the words exactly)
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  Confusion over the parable of the prodigal son

  by economy in

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  though parable of prodigal son is superlative in quality as it graphically picturizes the scientific law of cause and consequence, its conclusion defames god.

  when the prodigal son returned repentant, his father showed his delight saying: let us celebrate this by killing a fattened calf.

  (luke 15:23) such a concept (let us rejoice by giving maximum pain to another innocent living being) seems to be interpolation for the following reason:.

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  OnTheWayOut

  You got me correctly when you said: “This parable appears only in the Gospel of Luke. It is made up by the author.” This is exactly what I wanted to highlight—parable is not from Jesus. Veg or non-veg became just a medium (not the subject-matter) I used.
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  Confusion over the parable of the prodigal son

  by economy in

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  though parable of prodigal son is superlative in quality as it graphically picturizes the scientific law of cause and consequence, its conclusion defames god.

  when the prodigal son returned repentant, his father showed his delight saying: let us celebrate this by killing a fattened calf.

  (luke 15:23) such a concept (let us rejoice by giving maximum pain to another innocent living being) seems to be interpolation for the following reason:.

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  Though parable of prodigal son is superlative in quality as it graphically picturizes the scientific Law of Cause and Consequence, its conclusion defames God. When the prodigal son returned repentant, his father showed his delight saying: Let us celebrate this by killing a “fattened calf.” (Luke 15:23) Such a concept (let us rejoice by giving maximum pain to another innocent living being) seems to be interpolation for the following reason:

  1) Jesus knows every life is precious and every living being cherishes their lives (Mathew 9:13)

  2) In the previous chapter, Jesus had already said one can break the Law of Sabbath to save a cow that has fallen into a pit on Sabbath (Luke 14:5).

  3) Above all, father in the parable represents God himself who would not say “let us celebrate this by killing a fattened calf” as He had already made it clear ‘killing a bull is equal to killing a man, and is nothing but abomination’ (the root of which carries the notion of terror, horror, repugnance, disgust).—Isaiah 66:3.

  On the contrary, when a village girl offered rice pudding to Buddha, he enjoyed it so much that he realized the noble middle path—proper food properly cooked gives energy to one’s brain and solace to his tortured soul—especially so if it is prepared love towards the prospective eater. You may have heard some saying: “the food my mother cooks carries a special taste, and is a delight to my heart’ If one really enjoys the taste and aroma of food while eating it slowly with proper chewing and relishing it, and taking it silently with the person being immersed in the experience, then it allows the other senses to kick in and provides the wholeness of experience, and helps focus the attention on the eating experience—something that forms the part of even the true worship (Compare Mark 12:30). Hence in some cultures eating is considered as part of worship!

  Various foods have varying effects on body. Soldiers say certain foods help them to remain in fighting mood. Interestingly, we even have a branch of nutritional genomics—Nutrigenomics—that looks at how different foods may interact with specific genes to modify the risk of certain common diseases. (http://www.nutritionandgenetics.org/). Conversely, certain food can interact with specific genes to strengthen our health—physical and spiritual!

  So ignoring all these aspects, how could Jesus put into the mouth of the father in the parable: ‘Let us celebrate this by killing a fattened calf (Luke 15:23)?
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  God's supposedly chosen earthly organization (WTS/JWS) doesn't pronounce or spell god's name correctly !!!

  by Finkelstein in

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  this came up on terry walstrom thread topic recently and i thought it would be good to explore this further.

  the jws are quite boisterous and arrogant that they use the proper name of jehovah as the divine name of god.

  but a little investigation discovers something quite different.

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  It is noticeable that Jesus did not use his skill removing the confusion regarding God's name, its pronunciation ...
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  Who exactly is an apostate?

  by SonoftheTrinity in

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  if you are a non-believing relative or spouse who is hostile to their doctrine are you an apostate?

  if you studied with them and rang the logical fallacy buzzer for chits and giggles to see how they would react does this make you an apostate?.

  if you are a born in who never got baptised does this make you an apostate?.

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  Primary meaning of apostasy for JWs is: "standing away from truth as taught by the faithful and discreet slave" which means only a JW-member can become an apostate